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Duration and OSC



  • dear @jhoepffner, thanks for writing,
    Lets imagine I have 10 different scenes in Izzy. for the total duration of 1 hr.
    I don't have 1 hr to rehearse the all show, in fact there are a couple of scenes I need to review more times for different reasons, whether lights, sound or video or the choreographed movement of the dancers.
    Let's say that I have to review the middle of scene 5. To go to scene 5, normally I have the Jump actor on scene 4 that may goes to 5 automatically via an Envelope Generator that may started at the beginning of scene 4 with the Enter scene trigger, or manually via keyboard, or by pressing the Jump trigger. Let's say that on scene 5 I have a Movie Player that starts right at the beginning and a couple of Envelope Generators (or E.G ++) with more that 1 Segments, that command the intensity of the lights via Global DMX or the intensity of the Projector/s, the Sound Player, lets forget something like Wave or Wave Generator or others that would complicate the process.
    Scene 5 last exactly 5 minutes and I want to go to 3 minutes in of this scene and rehearse a few times from 3' in to 4' in of #5 . I'm now in scene 4, of course I can start at the end of #4 and loose 3' (that multiply, let's say 10 times, makes me loose 30 minutes) :
    What would be the best way to do it???
    Thanks



  • Dear bruper,

    I understand better why you ask it here… That's the reason because I found Duration so useful.
    With it you can go precisely to a point in your scene and have all the parameters set at the right level, without the need to play all the game. But it's necessary for that to have all the parameters coming from Duration.
    You can find some propositions to use it with Isadora here:
    https://github.com/jhoepffner/DurationToIsadora
    with a text explaining how to use it.
    The best way for me is to have a master time coming from Isadora, ideally a movie, as to play, stop, reverse, scrub manually in the film, sending time position (in second or in timecode) via OSC to Duration and Duration sending back osc values to Isadora.
    The other advantage is that, stopping the movie, you can adjust the level in Duration see directly the result in Isadora and play it again very quickly.
    Have a try!
    All the best

  • Tech Staff

    So you guys are literally using Duration to drive and sequence a show using Duration as the master timer so to speak?

    Interesting...


  • dear @jhoepffner, thanks for writing,
    I will look into it hopefully tomorrow, performing in Spain at the moment...



  • wait, wait, I am just discovering it… But I am finding some very interesting things, between Isadora, Duration and touchOSC on iPad. I am just preparing the second day of a 5 day workshop on Isadora for persons working in Theater and they are really interested by the timeline possibilities.

    I have some problems and questions and I try to intervene in the Duration google group, I register myself, but my contribution disappears, any idea?

  • Beta Tester

    I'm current programming a system that provides Watchout-like cuing capabilities like freerunning and looping playback, fully integrated MSC, and control cues using a tightly integrated combination of Duration and Isadora user actors I'm creating. I'm extremely excited about this prospect. I think if Isadora were ever to gain an integrated timeline, I would want it to be similar to Duration.


  • Tech Staff

    I think I am going to blogging this relationship between Duration and Isadora. 

    You guys (@[jhoepffner](http://troikatronix.com/troikatronixforum/profile/15/jhoepffner) @MatthewH and @[bruper](http://troikatronix.com/troikatronixforum/profile/929/bruper)) have got me thinking about this new idea in terms of timelines.... It really does open up Isadora into new territory. 

  • Tech Staff

    For sure.. as soon as I used it I thought that its a fantastic partner to Isadora, and I agree with Matthew that I can seen a similar component as part of Isadora at some future point.


  • Tech Staff

    Worth a look also....

    [http://www.iannix.org/en/index.php](http://www.iannix.org/en/index.php)

  • Beta Tester

    As per my earlier post I just finished building the first draft of a set of user actors I'm calling Duration Toolkit that provide some pretty powerful functionality for cuing in Isadora using Duration. Key features include:

    -Automatic creation of a database of cue numbers and positions to allow easy jumping to a particular cue by number as well as effortless integration with MIDI Show Control
    -An Isadora based clock that Duration is slaved to while still permitting full use of Durations' built in transport controls
    -Built in error reporting and troubleshooting messages in plain english for easy configuration
    -Watchout style freerunning and looping movie playback and straightforward picture playback
    -Extremely resource efficient
    -Built in controls for jumping to timeline positions based on time, percent, or cue number
    -Creating staggered fades across multiple channels of video is vastly easier than with any other cueing method in Isadora
    I am also working on implementing:
    -Movie playback that chases timecode
    -Full designer/tech controls with seamless integration
    -Cue names in addition to cue numbers
    -Jump cue type
    -Seamless integration with my master/slave and understudy/spare playback computer actors for easy cuing across multiple headless playback computers from a single master computer
    I'm using it on a show for which I am currently in tech and it is proving to be extremely stable and I will post a video of the programming/configuration process once I have a moment and in the meantime I have attached a screenshot. I honestly think that this is by far the most powerful and efficient cuing system that is currently available for Isadora. Even on this single channel show I am enjoying its benefits and on a show with numerous channels of video I think it will probably be pretty life changing compared to the typical approach of creating hundreds of scenes.

    7bb40c-untitled.tiff


  • Tech Staff

    Hey MatthewH

    Once again this is something that sure took hours/days/weeks to get where you have it now. Just wanted to say thank you for sharing and inpsiring others.

    Best
    Michel


  • Tech Staff

    Looks awesome...
    Will you put together any tutorials? ;)


  • Beta Tester

    Ill definitely do a video demonstrating how it all works once I'm less busy. I definitely want to do some more work on them before I would consider distributing the actors and I haven't decided yet whether I will make them generally available. I forgot to mention this before but they are compatible with both OSX and Windows.


  • Tech Staff

    Great to hear since I'm on windows.
    I guess I have two things to hope for..
    1 that you decide to make them available (within my budget)
    2 that I get a project that warrants their use.


  • Beta Tester

    I'll do my best on #1.


  • Tech Staff

    Looks brilliant. Not only have you cracked the whole communication/osc commands and stuff you've built an interface too! haha. Where do you find the time? :)


  • Beta Tester

    The middle of the night, mostly.



  • great!


  • Tech Staff

    Duration seems to have kicked off a new trend... here is another type of 'timeline' app.

    [http://createdigitalmotion.com/2013/05/vezer-lets-you-control-anything-with-timelines-without-being-overly-hard-to-use-mac/](http://createdigitalmotion.com/2013/05/vezer-lets-you-control-anything-with-timelines-without-being-overly-hard-to-use-mac/)
    [http://www.vezerapp.hu/](http://www.vezerapp.hu/)

  • Tech Staff

    Looks nice.