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    • Juriaan
      Juriaan Tech Staff @montana last edited by

      @montana

      We have the following two actors for this:

      - Show & Hide Stages

      - Capture Control

      Isadora 3.1.1, Dell XPS 17 9710, Windows 10
      Interactive Performance Designer, Freelance Artist, Scenographer, Lighting Designer, TroikaTronix Community moderator
      Always in for chatting about interaction in space / performance design. Drop me an email at hello@juriaan.me

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      • montana
        montana @Juriaan last edited by

        @juriaan Of course. So strange how many actors I don't know because I've simply never needed them.  Thanks.

        Michael R. Murphy
        MacBook Pro (14-inch, 2021)/Apple M1 Max/64 GB RAM
        iMac 2019/ Processor 3.8 GHz 8-Core intel Core i9/ Memory: 64 GB/ Graphics: Radeon Pro Vega 48 8 GB
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        • timeg
          timeg last edited by

          @Woland 

          Thanks so much for this.

          I am a Mac user but have to set up some Windows stand alone Laptops for an education component of an exhibition.

          I don't suppose you or any other kind person has done a list like this for windows (11 in my instance)

          @timeg ---> Tim Gruchy | www.grup.tv | MPB (2021) M1max, 64G, OS12.5 | IZZ 3.2.6 | located in Sydney Australia

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          • Fred
            Fred @timeg last edited by

            @timeg For windows installations I love to use Always up: https://www.coretechnologies.c... it makes sure you installation is always running even after a crash- it will also handle the start at boot process and run the application as a service. Always up has proven to be amazing and handles machines for me that have run 24/7 for years.

            Here are some achieved and old instructions for preparing windows machines for installations: https://web.archive.org/web/20... there is still some useful and relevant information there.

            For installations (and any win install for me), I like to run a de-bloater to remove all the stuff you dont need that comes pre-installed on windows Here are a few options 

            https://github.com/ChrisTitusT...

            https://github.com/Raphire/Win...

            https://github.com/LeDragoX/Wi...

            There are many more, use these carefully - I have noticed that things run smoother and I can remove so many annoying things with tools like this (especially stopping upgrades).

            You can also look into kiosk mode tools, these are designed to stop anyone navigating away to a different app.

            Between Always up (above) and integrating into an existing control system (like in a theme park or institution) you can do great things - sending commands to shut down the computer via UPD at the end of each day is great, and wake on lan commands to start a machine from off (I wish OSX had this!!! WOL is so useful).

            For a installations I have also created an emergency back-up scenario - I have used windows machines with pull out hard disk trays. I setup the installation test it and run it for a few days. When everything is all running smooth I use a bootable version of this https://clonezilla.org/ to block clone the hard drive - this means that the copy is exactly the same as the original and can be booted. Using pull out hard drives, if there is an issue that escapes the simple debugging steps, then the machine gets shut down, the drives trays are swapped and then on startup it boots from the clone.

            Fred

            http://www.fredrodrigues.net/
            https://github.com/fred-dev
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            • timeg
              timeg @Fred last edited by

              @fred Thanks you so much for this wealth of information. I have succeeded in most of this on the Mac OS but not being used to Windows find it harder to navigate. These tools will shone a light on the way forward

              @timeg ---> Tim Gruchy | www.grup.tv | MPB (2021) M1max, 64G, OS12.5 | IZZ 3.2.6 | located in Sydney Australia

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              • montana
                montana @Juriaan last edited by

                @juriaan  And... now that everything  is starting  up  beautifully, how can I lose the monitor on my stand-alone installation- running compute ( the Mac Mini)? I want to have  no monitor attached to it and simply work on it from Team Server  which is on my  laptop and  communicates great with the Mac Mini, but if  I don't have  a monitor connected to the it, it doesn't have a Display 1 for the  computer desktop. Can I assign a virtual stage to it somehow?  

                Michael R. Murphy
                MacBook Pro (14-inch, 2021)/Apple M1 Max/64 GB RAM
                iMac 2019/ Processor 3.8 GHz 8-Core intel Core i9/ Memory: 64 GB/ Graphics: Radeon Pro Vega 48 8 GB
                Mac Mini Apple M2 Pro with 10‑core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine

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                • Juriaan
                  Juriaan Tech Staff @montana last edited by

                  @montana

                  Sorry, but guide my thru your setup here? You have a Mac Mini with Team server installed on it. That you control / login with the your laptop on.

                  What is your out / output here?

                  Isadora 3.1.1, Dell XPS 17 9710, Windows 10
                  Interactive Performance Designer, Freelance Artist, Scenographer, Lighting Designer, TroikaTronix Community moderator
                  Always in for chatting about interaction in space / performance design. Drop me an email at hello@juriaan.me

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                  • Fred
                    Fred @montana last edited by

                    @montana you can use a cheap edid emulator to fake a display. 

                    Or you can try this software (paid) that can make virtual displays:


                    https://github.com/waydabber/BetterDisplay

                    http://www.fredrodrigues.net/
                    https://github.com/fred-dev
                    OSX 13.6.4 (22G513) MBP 2019 16" 2.3 GHz 8-Core i9, Radeon Pro 5500M 8 GB, 32g RAM
                    Windows 10 7700K, GTX 1080ti, 32g RAM, 2tb raided SSD

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                    • montana
                      montana @Juriaan last edited by montana

                      @juriaan Output is two projectors through an FX4-HDR and two television sets through a Matrox triple head. The computer is a new Mac mini. They are the two stages. As the earlier posts get at I’m trying to get this all to run on its own and thought I would be able to leave all physical computer monitor outputs behind when it’s installed in the gallery. I thought the team server on the laptop would substitute for that monitor but of course Isadora or the computer needs a display for its desktop. So whenever I try to run the installation with no attached monitor to the Mac mini either the projectors or the tv’s become the desktop. When I try to change that from team server I get my error message about losing my desktop and how to retrieve it with Apple G. So I thought maybe there was an actor that would trick Isadora into having some virtual version of the monitor. 

                      Michael R. Murphy
                      MacBook Pro (14-inch, 2021)/Apple M1 Max/64 GB RAM
                      iMac 2019/ Processor 3.8 GHz 8-Core intel Core i9/ Memory: 64 GB/ Graphics: Radeon Pro Vega 48 8 GB
                      Mac Mini Apple M2 Pro with 10‑core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine

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                      • montana
                        montana @Fred last edited by

                        @fred Well, I just ordered one. Truly cheap in terms of price.  Will  give  that a go. Am also checking out  the software. Much there I won't need I'm  thinkng.

                        Thanks much.

                        Michael R. Murphy
                        MacBook Pro (14-inch, 2021)/Apple M1 Max/64 GB RAM
                        iMac 2019/ Processor 3.8 GHz 8-Core intel Core i9/ Memory: 64 GB/ Graphics: Radeon Pro Vega 48 8 GB
                        Mac Mini Apple M2 Pro with 10‑core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine

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                        • CitizenJoe
                          CitizenJoe @montana last edited by

                          @montana

                          As another POV, I always leave the monitor attached, because it's very difficult for to troubleshoot without one.

                          Cheers,

                          Hugh

                          Hugh in Winnipeg - All test machines, Win10/11 Pro, 64 bit, OS SSD and separate data SSD.
                          Dell 7560, i9 11950H, 64 gigs, NVIDIA RTX A4000 w/8 GB GDDR6

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                          • Woland
                            Woland Tech Staff @CitizenJoe last edited by

                            @citizenjoe said:

                            I always leave the monitor attached, because it's very difficult for to troubleshoot without one.

                             Excellent point

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