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    HAP codes in SD

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    • vanakaru
      vanakaru last edited by

      DV has been no-no for me from the start. When I could capture live only from FireWire that results using DV encoded stream, I had performance problems all the time. So almost any other codec does better job.

      HAP should work on v.1.3 as well. However with upgraded v.2 HAP, ProRes and H264 perform times better. For manipulation(scratching) H264 is not good.
      If you think SD resolution as the size of a movie then you can make videos to any odd size when exporting from editor app.

      MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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        niknaim last edited by

        Hello Vanakaru,
        thanks for your post. Since Mark recommended in his writings ("optimizing for speed") DV-codec for PAL-resolution I chose this. I actaully wanted to use HAP, since I read it is very good for live visuals, but I did not want to go higher in resolution, to save performance. You think this could work? I am scratching, sizing and having effect at the same time.

        Greetings Niklas

        Win 8 64, i7, 8gb, nVidia GT 640M

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        • vanakaru
          vanakaru last edited by

          Do refer to this

          http://troikatronix.com/support/kb/optimizing-for-speed/
          This is written 2012\. Something has changed since.
          But you really need to test. Try v.2 it should give you everything except saving the project if try demo. 
          My experience is that you can run 3 full HD movies in ProRes 30fps on MBP 4.1 pulling from internal SSD.

          MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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          • mark
            mark last edited by

            Dear niknaim,

            I don't know if you're going to get better scrubbing with HAP actually. HAP performs really, really well under Windows because their GPU drivers are better than Mac OS. It performs OK on Mac OS, but the data bandwidth is actually relatively high. And it takes a long time to compress them.
            If you have an SSD, i think you might go for Apple Pro Res. It's high bandwidth in terms of the amount of data, but very fast to decompress.
            Also, Photo JPEG is still our friend in terms of lowbandth and decent image quality.
            Finally, make sure to read this more recent document:
            http://troikatronix.com/support/kb/izzy20-playback/
            especially the "Understanding the new Optimize input" part and the stuff about the playback systems.
            Best,
            Mark

            Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
            Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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              niknaim last edited by

              Just to set this clear. I am on windows.

              Win 8 64, i7, 8gb, nVidia GT 640M

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                fifou last edited by

                ..And as it seems you scratch your videos, maybe take a look at this too :
                http://troikatronix.com/troikatronixforum/discussion/1859/movie-player-vs-classic-movie-player-interactions-issues#latest

                Best,
                Philippe

                MacBookPro 15' 2012 - QuadCore i7 @ 2,66GHz - 16GB RAM - NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024Mo VRAM - 2 Internal SATA SSD Hard Drives - OSX10.13.6 - Isadora 3.0.7

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                  niknaim last edited by

                  ok, thanks fifou. Yes I scratch them according to the sound level watcher. I will try it with the multiblocker.

                  Win 8 64, i7, 8gb, nVidia GT 640M

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                    niknaim last edited by

                    I am still trying to find the right codec for my windows machine. Since "scratching" means interactivity I guess the photo-jpg is the best one. But how do I get it? Is the only chance to my quicktime pro? I just cannot find it anymwhere. If motion-jpg is the the same codec its still hard to find. Does anybody have experience with avi?

                    Win 8 64, i7, 8gb, nVidia GT 640M

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                    • DusX
                      DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                      Avoid avi if you can. It's an old wrapper and performs poorly in my tests. As for pjpeg it available by default in every qt based video editor I have ever used. A free one is batch from livid. I have used it many times.

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                      • Michel
                        Michel Izzy Guru last edited by

                        @niknaim

                        Or try MPEG Streamclip.

                        Best Michel

                        Michel Weber | www.filmprojekt.ch | rMBP (2019) i9, 16gig, AMD 5500M 8 GB, OS X 10.15 | located in Winterthur Switzerland.

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                          niknaim last edited by

                          Thanks for all your answers. I tried some and had best performance still with dv. Now I want to try small HD (1024x768), but on my windows machine I cannot create Pro-Res, its only creatable on Mac. Is there any alternative to ProRes for small HD?

                          Niklas

                          Win 8 64, i7, 8gb, nVidia GT 640M

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                            niknaim last edited by

                            sorry, I got mixed up with the resolution description. The resolution I want to get is 1280x720

                            Win 8 64, i7, 8gb, nVidia GT 640M

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                            • Michel
                              Michel Izzy Guru last edited by

                              @niknaim

                              Try fotoJPG at 50%.

                              Best Michel

                              Michel Weber | www.filmprojekt.ch | rMBP (2019) i9, 16gig, AMD 5500M 8 GB, OS X 10.15 | located in Winterthur Switzerland.

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                                niknaim last edited by

                                so, finally I got everything working with 1280x720 in photo-jpg, compression setting 80%.
                                Full HD goes too much down in framerate in photo-jpg.

                                Win 8 64, i7, 8gb, nVidia GT 640M

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                                • DusX
                                  DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                                  @niknaim

                                  I would try HAP.

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