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MIDI Ableton Live to Izzy over Ethernet : apocalypse now.



  • @ughoenig 

    thanx a lot !!! we' ll definitely try all these tomorrow.

    How about sending MIDI data over Multicast UDP ? by using ipMIDI for instance ? going to try this too. 



  • @bartvang

    unfortunately I will be able to connect to the grandMA  once I get to the venue only: before soundcheck , same day as our gig. So can't check midi activity on it

    That's indeed the second part of the story, that makes me slightly nervous I have to say ^.^'  My plan is to hook 2 ethernet adapters to my laptop and configure these two differently, so one going to the grandMA2 and sending art-net...



  • I don’t know how conplicated your lightcues are, but you might consider firing the MA2 through MIDI as well. 

    An inexpensive usb to midi cable would do the trick (if you have usb ports left, that is ;-)). MA systems don’t play nicely with Apple’s networked midi. 

    I.e. programming the cues on the MA and using Izzy to trigger specific cues. I own an MA2 system so if you need any help in that department, let me know. 

    Cheers!


  • Tech Staff

    It might be worth Opening Isadoras MIDI Monitor (Window>Show Monitor) to see what you can see there too.



  • @aikia Just one possibly irrelevant tip: You can extend old school hardware midi over XLR cables. I have added male and female XLRs in the middle of several short midi cables and have run them (with good cable) as far as 100m. Not a solve all, but XLR cables are everywhere and often wired all over venues, if cable length is one of the reasons you switched to midi over IP. This also means you can easily send old school midi to stuff like lighting desks.

    I also made a utility some time ago to have a simple midi over OSC connection. It is not a replacement for midi over IP, but gives some other options as the intermediate protocol (OSC) is accessable and documented.


  • Tech Staff

    I'd also suggest taking a look at making a virtual MIDI network instead of using two ethernet adaptors.

    https://help.ableton.com/hc/en...

    I've successfully used this to join a Nomad Macbook Pro, a QLab Macbook Pro, and two Isadora Mac Pros on a show with 500+ cues.

    Best wishes,

    Woland



  • @bartvang

    AH ! fantastic. Yes I can definitely do that, anything that will be safer I am up for trying it. just ordered a USB to MIDI actually...



  • @skulpture

    done, but as it all freezes and crashes, no more monitor to monitor things ! I am now trying the following: sending from Live OSC through UDP. As I think the issue is within ableton live having to deal with lot of hardware etc, I am sending from Live to MAX withtin sound laptop internally, then sending from MAX to my laptop through udp and collecting OSC in isadora...



  • @bartvang

    BART do u confirm they grandMA2 had a midi in I could use directly? THte general director just told me “really ?? It has a MIDIin?!” But I trust u if u confirm !


  • Tech Staff

    @aikia said:

    do u confirm they grandMA2 had a midi in I could use directly

     The manual seems to indicate that it does, but also indicates that it supports MIDI over ethernet.


    http://help2.malighting.com/Pa...



  • both the Grandma2 Light, Ultralight and fulsize and Command Wing have Midi inputs. Don’t go the midi over ethernet route with the Apple Bonjour midi server: it doesn’t play nice.  ;)

    If they utilize an MA2port node hooked up to a laptop (node acts as a dongle giving you 2 universes if output), there’s no physical midi connectors on the device. 

    Which desk do they have at the venue?