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Isadora 3.... is..... live....


  • Beta Platinum

    Jumping in late to the Izzy 3.0 party!  Sending endless love to you Mark and the whole Izzy team.  I am taking the plunge now...

    xxxCarole



  • I'm happy to see Isadora 3 came alive, but after a short test I still registered a weakness in sound actors, only 16 bit and 41000, and no wav files can be imported?!?

    I hoped to find some improvements in audio.

    Best and still in hope

    Matthias Kirschke



  • Congratulations to the entire team on the release, and thank you Mark for an awesome piece of software. It has definitely helped transform the art of projection design and has been a staple of my craft for nearly 15 years.   Thank you for all of the hard work over the years. 


  • Tech Staff

    @kirschkematthias said:

    I'm happy to see Isadora 3 came alive, but after a short test I still registered a weakness in sound actors, only 16 bit and 41000, and no wav files can be imported?!?

     The entire system for the sound actors had to be gutted and rebuilt from scratch using a different library called SoLoud because of the removal of Quicktime. More advanced sound support is on our to-do list, but video is Isadora's bread and butter so that's where our focus was when creating Isadora 3.

    Wave files should import. Please submit a support ticket using the link in my signature to include the details of your system so we can see if we can reproduce your issue.



  • @kirschkematthias

    I'm in Mac Os 10.13.6 and I can import a 48.000 kHz 16bits wav file. Isadora reads the file without problems. Maybe in Windows it's different.

    Best

    Javi



  • I'm running Mojave on a MacBook Pro 2018. I can't import wav files with 48000 Hz. in 24 bit which I think is usual for film audio. I'm doing sound and video in a theater in Berlin, and I use and get a lot of sound in that format, which I always have to convert. Importing a movie which audio has 48kH and 32bit it works fine, but only audio is not possible.


  • Tech Staff

    The Release Notes for Isadora 3 are now live: https://support.troikatronix.com/support/solutions/articles/13000064496-isadora-3-release-notes

    We apologize for the delay (Mark added a LOT of cool new things so there was a lot to cover! 😃)

    Updated List of Release Note Topics:

    • The new pricing structure
    • How to apply for the 50% academic discount
    • The Isadora 3 System Requirements
    • Important information for Windows users on laptops
    • The new Isadora 3 Manual
    • The TroikaTronix Digital Sponsorship Program
    • The new TroikaTronix Plugin Page (User Actors/Macros, FFGL, GLSL, Themes, Patches, and more!)
    • The new licensing system (with an online portal for easy license management!)
    • The new licensing options (affordable rentals and subscriptions!)
    • The new Stage Setup (use up to 16 displays, assign multiple displays per Stage, automatic edge-blending, and split displays in half, thirds, or quarters!)
    • How to output content from any display or Stage via Syphon/Spout, Blackmagic device, or NDI!
    • NDI OUTPUT!!!
    • The new Blend Maker (quickly set up a blend using up to eight displays, with up to two Matrox or Datapath splitters, in any of 18 display configurations!)
    • Numeric point editing in IzzyMap
    • The threaded media engine and playback improvements
    • The list of recommended video file formats for Mac and Windows 10
    • The update of the entire codebase to 64-bit!
    • BLIND MODE EDITING OF SCENES!!!
    • New linking features to speed up your creation process!
    • Major Movie Player actor overhaul (including MIDI TIMECODE SUPPORT, clicking to jump to a position, manual playhead adjustment, and play, pause, stop, and mute buttons for rehearsal!)
    • MIDI TIMECODE SUPPORT!
    • Updated versions of the FFGL and Artnet plugins (and how to install plugins like the TroikaTronix GLSL Shaders)
    • Moving User Actors/Macros to Isadora 3
    • TWO NEW ISADORA PLUGINS! (Get Stage Image and Value Changed)
    • JAVASCRIPT ACTOR - CREATING CUSTOM NAMES FOR INPUTS/OUTPUTS
    • Updates to the Live Drawing, Measure Color, and Shuffle actors
    • Actors that have been renamed
    • Legacy actors that have been removed
    • Updating files to Isadora 3
    • Updates to the main user interface
    • NEW THEME EDITOR!!!
    • Changes to Isadora Preferences (most notably, most of the settings for Stages moved to Output > Stage Setup)
    • Updates to the Scene Select (Click-to-jump now enabled by default!) and Bin Picker Control (now bigger by default and supports 3D models!)
    • Keyboard shortcut updates
    • Updates to the menus (items added, renamed, and removed)
    • The “Coming Soon” list (NDI input support, Body-Tracking plugins, 64-bit Rutt-Etra Plugin, native BlackTrax support, PJ Link plugin, H265.mkv support for Windows, example patches for GLSL Shaders, new video tutorials, and reworked advanced audio output/sound routing)


  • Thanks for this. That's amazing new and I can't wait to get stuck in.
    I'm not certain which version I need to buy though. I've had isadora for 2 years, but I upgraded to a USB key on the 1st of April 2018. Does that mean i should upgrade using the option for those who bought a license after the 28th of March? I don't totally understand that and whether the upgrade counts as that.


  • Tech Staff

    @edalia said:

    Does that mean i should upgrade using the option for those who bought a license after the 28th of March?

    You upgraded to a USB Key recently but you purchased your license two years ago, therefore the March Deal does not apply to your license.


  • Tech Staff

    @kirschkematthias said:

    I'm running Mojave on a MacBook Pro 2018. I can't import wav files with 48000 Hz. in 24 bit which I think is usual for film audio. I'm doing sound and video in a theater in Berlin, and I use and get a lot of sound in that format, which I always have to convert. Importing a movie which audio has 48kH and 32bit it works fine, but only audio is not possible.
    If you haven't already, please submit a support ticket using the link in my signature to include the details of your system so we can see if we can reproduce your issue.

    If possible please also send us a sample of the media that isn't working for you via Dropbox link. 

    Feel free to let us know how urgent (or not) this is in the ticket and we'll respond accordingly. If this is extremely urgent then the best workaround would be to convert your media.


  • Beta Gold

    @woland said:

    I'm running Mojave on a MacBook Pro 2018. I can't import wav files with 48000 Hz. in 24 bit which I think is usual for film audio. I'm doing sound and video in a theater in Berlin, and I use and get a lot of sound in that format, which I always have to convert. Importing a movie which audio has 48kH and 32bit it works fine, but only audio is not possible.If you haven't already, please submit a support ticket using the link in my signature to include the details of your system so we can see if we can reproduce your issue.

     Are these files interleaved stereo or dual mono combined in one WAV?


  • Tech Staff

    Release Notes Update

    1. Added more information to the System Requirements section.
    2. Included an important link to an article for Windows users on laptops.
    3. Added a new section with information about when we will launch the TroikaTronix Digital Sponsorship Program.



  • @barneybroomer

    hi, thanks for the reply. All my files are interleaved. I tried different sounds:

    bunt I always get this message:

    etc.

    In the moment I'm fine to convert, but I think Isadora should handle 24/32 bit audio in all sample rates.

    This shouldn`t to too difficult comparing the wonderful work you did for video!

    many greetings

    Matthias


  • Tech Staff

    @kirschkematthias said:

    no wav files can be imported?!?


     Ah, so it's been telling you all along that the specific format of wav you're trying to import isn't currently supported and it's been telling you exactly what you can do to make your media compatible.

    That's a lot different than "no wave files can be imported", hence my confusion.

    We plan on implementing wider support for more types of audio files in the near future but for now you may need to convert your media to mp3 files and play them in the Movie Player if you want to use the higher bitrate, or convert them to 8/16-bit audio files as the dialog above suggests.

    It would be very helpful if you could submit a ticket with all of the info you've presented in this thread so that we have an easily-accessible record of everything.

    Also please check your forum message inbox, I'd like to invite you to join the beta-testing group so that you can help us make sure that we're meeting your audio needs.

    Best wishes,

    Woland



  • Hi there, nice to finally see Isadora 3 coming out! Dumb question, maybe, but I'd like to know if you recommend using Isadora 3 to run version 2 patches, even if the v3 license is not bought yet (the same way you previously recommended using version 2 to Izzy 1 users, with or without license). I intend to upgrade, but not quite yet.

    Also, is there any specific issue if I intend to have both versions installed at the same time? Normally, the only thing needed to do was renaming the Isadora folder, but now I read about 32 and 64 bits plugins and I'm afraid to mess something if I just install the new version without taking some precautions. Thanks in advance!


  • Beta Platinum

    Hi there @haradan,


    32 bit plugins won't run with Isadora 3, so basically the only thing that I found out the hard way is that you need 2 seperate plugin folders, if you don't Isadora 3 will say "Hell no". Other then that, running smooth with both versions installed at the same laptop.



  • @juriaan said:

    is that you need 2 seperate plugin folders, if you don't Isadora 3 will say "Hell no".

    Does it actually complain with a dialog? I would think it would just ignore the plugins it can't load. (I know I should know how it will behave, but I'm honestly unsure. @Woland ? Do you know?)

    Best Wishes,
    Mark


  • Tech Staff

    @mark said:

    Does it actually complain with a dialog? I would think it would just ignore the plugins it can't load. (I know I should know how it will behave, but I'm honestly unsure. @Woland ? Do you know?)

     Mixing 32 bit and 64 bit plugins in the same folder has been known to cause crashes on startup.


  • Tech Staff



    From the middle of the Release Notes article:

    Plugin Updates

    Please note that any 3rd-party FF, FFGL, or custom Isadora plugins will have to be 64bit in order to work with Isadora 3.

    The previous 32bit FreeFrame effects cannot be loaded, so the official TroikaTronix FFGL Plugins have been updated to 64-bit format and uploaded to the TroikaTronix Plugin Page.

    Do NOT mix 32bit and 64bit plugins in your plugin folders for Isadora 2 or 3 (this can cause issues when you launch the program!)

    Please see this support article detailing where to install new plugins for Isadora 2 and 3 on Mac and Windows.



    From the beginning of the Isadora 2 & 3: Installing External Plugins article:

    Isadora 3 (64-bit) vs Isadora 2 (32-bit)

    • Isadora 3 only accepts 64-bit plugins, 32-bit plugins cannot be loaded.
    • Isadora 2 only accepts 32-bit plugins, 64-bit plugins cannot be loaded.
    • Storing 32-bit and 64-bit plugins in the same folder can cause error messages and crashes on startup!


    From the end of the Isadora 3: TroikaTronix Support Policy article:

    Isadora 3 and Old 32-bit Plugins

    It is also important to understand that Isadora 1 and Isadora 2 are 32-bit applications and that Isadora Patches created in Isadora 1 or 2 that rely on 32-bit third-party FreeFrame (FF), FreeFrameGL (FFGL), or custom Isadora plugins will be be difficult to transfer to Isadora 3, which is a 64-bit application and therefore does not support 32-bit plugins.



    From the beginning of the read me file that comes with the download of the TroikaTronix FFGL Plugins for Isadora 2 & 3 from the new Plugins Page:

    General Instructions

    ⁃ The subfolders labelled “Macintosh” contain the TroikaTronix FFGL plugins for Mac which can be used with Isadora 2 AND Isadora 3.
    ⁃ The subfolders labelled “Windows_32bit” contain the 32-bit TroikaTronix FFGL plugins for Windows 10 which can only be used with Isadora 2.
    ⁃ The subfolders labelled “Windows_64bit” contain the 64-bit TroikaTronix FFGL plugins for Windows 10 which can only be used with Isadora 3.



  • @woland

    Is my understand correct to avoid crashes and errors, that i need two Mac's one for today projects in proofen v2 and one for testing the new v3 features until all plugin and audio are converted to 64?