More lock document options

[DillTheKraut]

One more suggestion for a feature optimisation.

The document lock is great, but it would be perfect, if one could lock all real editing and keep the real save option for value and media changes.
At the moment we can only save to a backup file.
Allow adding scenes would be helpful as well.
It would help to build GUIs for noobs, but give 'em the opportunity to build a show without risking to break anything, with adding scenes and changing values.

[Woland]

@dillthekraut

Ryan will log this, but I've done this kind of thing in the past Using the Data Array actor to write and read from an external file. This allows values to be adjusted, saved, and recalled, even if the file is locked or the program is running in Demo Mode without a license.

Best wishes,

Woland

[DusX]

@woland said:

but I've done this kind of thing in the past Using the Data Array actor

I tend to use the Javascript actor to load a JSON file full of settings.
I find this helpful due to the Key / Value pairs used in JSON, essentially providing names for every setting.

[DusX]

@dillthekraut said:

if one could lock all real editing and keep the real save option for value and media changes

 I am not sure I understand which features you want unlocked? This might require defining a number of features sets.

[DillTheKraut]

@dusx

I guess, it is pretty simple. But maybe I'm missing something.
Let's describe it from the perspective of the user without knowledge regarding Isadora programming. They should see a GUI as simple as possible and as complex as needed to program a show, without deep knowledge of Isadora.
Kind of "Add a Sceene -> add content -> set play parameters -> set fade times -> repeat".
To keep what they got, it is needed to save the content library, and the play parameters (or what ever parameters are set/changed), as well as they need the possibility to add new scenes.
What they don't have to have is the access to the editing mode of the controls and the actor editing view.

[Woland]

@dillthekraut

If you're letting them add Scenes, media, and save changes to parameters, what is still locked behind the password? Just editing the Control Panel and deleting Scenes in the Scene List/actors in the Scene Editor?

Not trying to be snarky, I genuinely want to understand the user story you're putting forth here so we can log it. I'd like to understand better because you're a longtime user with good ideas and so I know that there's something I must not be getting here.

[dbini]

@dillthekraut

isn't that what 'Save as run only' does?

[DillTheKraut]

@dbini

Is this not the same as the lock feature? When I choose this, I get the exact same options.

The issue is, if I activate the option "User can save changes", the only difference is, that one could save the patch to a backup file, but not to the original.
Second; In non of the options the scene editing is available.
Or am I wrong here?

@DusX 
I'm working for a big city theatre, where the main system is a bigger media server (pixera). But for smaller productions on the little stages and the rehearsal rooms, we need a system, which isn't to complex. As we are a small team for video and can not be there all the time for all rehearsals and productions, we like to give the prepared hard and software to the production team. But they often doesn't have any technical background beyond playing a youtube video or maybe using VLC. Therefore it needs to be as noob proof as possible. But then sometimes there are more complex productions, with multiple outputs and often live cam inputs, etc.
This is where Isadora could come in handy. We would build a basic patch with a specific GUI for the production, limited to the settings they need. To avoid irritations and braking things, it would help to deactivate all parts, which could lead to issues.

At the moment as far as I could try it, these are the available options:

1. No option activated at all:
Controls can change values
No actors view/ control edit
No adding of new Scenes
Media library locked
No save option at all

2. "User can edit controls"

Controls can change values
Controls can be edited
Actor view is available and actors can be manipulated (Which is not obvious reading the options text)
No adding of new Scenes
Media library locked
No save option at all (still)

3. "User can edit media"

Controls can change values
No actors view/ control edit
No adding of new Scenes
Media library UNlocked
No save option at all (still)

4. "User can save changes"

This works as an addition to the other options and gives "Save Backup" option. But not saving to the same project.
But still no Scene adding/editing (Maybe with an option to lock the first X scenes to keep them save)

Actually I am wondering why there is no Scene editing available at all...

What I'd need:

Controls can change values
No actors view/ control edit
Adding/ editing Scenes with an option to lock the first X scenes to keep them save
Media library UNlocked
Save to the same project