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    2 BM mini rec fail on MBP retina 2.6 ghZ i7 mavericks

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    • DusX
      DusX Tech Staff last edited by

      Yes, that thread does sound promising.. so I suppose it may be a config issue.

      Can you see both at once in the Black Magic software?

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      • Skulpture
        Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

        Could it be a thunderbolt bandwidth issue? Just a thought?

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        • fredvaillant
          fredvaillant last edited by

          Yes Skulpture, I Thought that too but it works for Jacob with his 2012 Mbp so no thunderbolt 2, mine neither but it's a newer 2014 MBP retina...

          DusX, on Blackmagic media software, when I plug one mini rec, I see the image of each, when I plug two, I see only one but I it seems normal because I didn't see  a pattern to choose an input. I can try with Black syphon.
          Mystery...

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          • Marci
            Marci last edited by

            Won’t be bandwidth... 10Gb/s per port is more than enough for vidcap at 1080/50. Smacks of a software issue - either BlackMagic have changed their software so it only inits the first device (to try and force you to move to one of their pricier products for handling multiple  inputs), or as you’ve already guessed, Jacob is using BlackSyphon or another alternative method. Keep us posted... !

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            • Fred
              Fred last edited by

              Blackmagic SDK and drivers all support multiple devices. The multi input hardware is all enumerated as separate devices by their subsystem. I regularly run multiple devices in different environments with no problem.

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              • fredvaillant
                fredvaillant last edited by

                Yes it's strange because both mini recorders are seen with two different name (#1 and #2)..

                 Is it a limitation by Mavericks ? It doesn't seem because on the web people on Mavericks can plug 2 mini rec for video streaming without any problem.
                No answer for the moment.

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                • craigw
                  craigw last edited by

                  I had problems with Izzy 2.1 and BM, so I went back to 2.05 and the problems went away.

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                  • fredvaillant
                    fredvaillant last edited by

                    Argh, I tried to open 2.05 and It crashs saying that my file have been saved with newer version (even If I didn't want to open a patch but the app).

                    So I thought in the pref it was configured to directly open a specific patch and I tried to open a specific patch ( I have a file of patches for each version : patch 1.3, 1.5, 2.00b4, 2.00b17, 2.05,  2.1) with the specific version and same problem !
                    None patch can be opened with none older version than 2.1! And if I do a copy of a 2.05 patch and try to open it with 2.1, no problem but I have the message saying that my file is about to be updated to 2.1\. What the mess.

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                    • craigw
                      craigw last edited by

                      Right click open with Isadora 2.05.

                      I use a dedicated computer for it so I deleted 2.1.

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                      • craigw
                        craigw last edited by

                        However, on all my other computers that I use Isadora I use the Thunderbolt to HDMI converters and 2.1 work well.

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                        • fredvaillant
                          fredvaillant last edited by

                          Craig, after resolving my crashs with 2.0.5 (problem of user actor), I tried to input 2 BM mini rec with this version I don't attempt anymore. I have exactly the same behavior than with 2.1, only on live input is visible.

                          I'm stuck.

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                          • DusX
                            DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                            Are they thunderbolt or usb3?

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                            • Fred
                              Fred last edited by

                              What version of desktop video (the blackmagic driver) are you using. There was a problem with 10.6 and multiple devices and 10.6.1 solved it for thunderbolt devices but there are still some issues with usb3.0

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                              • fredvaillant
                                fredvaillant last edited by

                                Hello,

                                It works ! Just before reading troika forum, I spent more time on this problem. I uninstalled BM desktop video utility 10.5.2 and reinstalled 10.5.2 (yes the same, I'm on Mavericks).
                                And for the first time I have been able to see the image of the 2 devices from 2 ultrastudio mini rec. Before I could see the 2 devices in the menu of input/izz or in BM media express but I had always one black image on the 2 inputs.
                                What happened ? I don't know. I have to take care anyway because my cycle in izz is very low (under 100) with a simple patch : only 2 video in watcher and 2 projector on 720p50 tune for input and 720p25 output.
                                I'll search around syphon to see if it's better.
                                Thanks

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                                • mark
                                  mark last edited by

                                  Dear All,

                                  First, to @craigw - I sent you an email about your Blackmagic issues. Now that v2.2 is out, I want to focus on issues like these and get them resolved.
                                  Then to @fredvalliant and all here: I only have one piece of Blackmagic hardware: the Intensity Extreme Thunderbolt. Is there something special about the BM Mini Rec in comparison to my device? I mean, if I have to, I'll purchase two BM Mini Rec to try to look into this problem. But do you all think getting a second Intensity Extreme would represent the same problems?
                                  My feeling is that most BM devices are doing basically the same thing, it's just the options of connections (USB vs. Thunderbolt, input connectors, number of channels, etc.) that are different. But I am not an expert on this, so anyone who knows better than me please tell me what you know.
                                  Best Wishes,
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                                  • fredvaillant
                                    fredvaillant last edited by

                                    Hello,

                                    Now after reinstalling drivers, it works well thru v2.2 also. Cycles are about the same (220) if I use 2 video in watcher or Black Syphon and 2 syphon receivers. 
                                    So because the problem was also in Blackmagic Media express, I feel that the problem was only with BM drivers.
                                    When I had only one ultrastudio minirec it was nearly a plug & play. My problems arrived when I plugged for the first time my 2nd minirec.
                                    What we have to take care is : open BM video utility (latest version from your OS), set to the right input (sdi or hdmi) for each minirec, and have the same setup in the cam output and in the live input setting.
                                    After it's izzy !

                                    ef0d82-izz-black-syphon.tiff

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                                    • craigw
                                      craigw last edited by

                                      I'll start some testing today.

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                                      • craigw
                                        craigw last edited by

                                        Ok, Here is step 1.

                                        I'm using a BlackMagic Intensity Extreme with Thunderbolt connection. Izzy seems to be stable however the output still has a Red problem. If the picture has bright red in it vertical lines show up on the output of the BM box.
                                        However The force stage preview shows good.

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                                        • craigw
                                          craigw last edited by

                                          Test #2.

                                          BM UltraStudio SDI, using USB 3.
                                          No output at all.

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