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    [SOLVED] Long usb cable latency

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    • barneybroomer
      barneybroomer Beta Gold last edited by

      What can be is interference with power lines, so on a desk perfectly fine, once in a theater running along other lines it can experience interference

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      • RIL
        RIL @barneybroomer last edited by

        @barneybroomer thanks ! To many options jaja. What it seems to me is that the problem is not the usb extender. I checked again the lights conditions as @fred suggested also the browser and nothing happend.

        Being plug to the power suppply on your desk may produce latency?

        Best,

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        • Fred
          Fred @RIL last edited by

          @ril how big is the latency?

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          • RIL
            RIL @Fred last edited by RIL

            @fred 3 or 4 seconds when it happens... 

            Yesterday I tested during 1 hour with bad light conditions open and close broeser etc... and worked perfect. Very strange vehavior

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            • barneybroomer
              barneybroomer Beta Gold last edited by

              Wow, 3 to 4 seconds is really long. Does it have this latency without USB extender as well?

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              • RIL
                RIL @barneybroomer last edited by RIL

                @barneybroomer I believe it doesnt...what is very strange is this random behavior 

                Could it be some drivers situation? Thanks !

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                • Fred
                  Fred @RIL last edited by

                  @ril what is the model of webcam and what resolution are you running it a

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                    RIL @Fred last edited by

                    @fred Logitech C525.  1920x 1280

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                    • Fred
                      Fred @RIL last edited by

                      @ril the camera has a native resolution of 1280 720, can you try run at that and see what results you get. The upscaling means decompressing the incoming h264 stream and then upscaling, not a trivial task. 

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                      • RIL
                        RIL @Fred last edited by

                        @fred thats a very good idea !!! Thanks

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                        • RIL
                          RIL @Fred last edited by

                          Dear @fred   

                          apparently that was the problem. Also the video looks much more fluid now. Anyway I will leave it running for a long time to rule out any other problems. continued to be concerned with the issues of light and power cables.


                          It would be interesting to refresh the whole community of the relationships that occur between the different video sources and their respective resolutions, and the best or most appropriate practices when combining video and live capture.

                          Thank you very much !!

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                          • Fred
                            Fred @RIL last edited by

                            @ril in general it is much better to run devices at their native resolution. There are tools inside Isadora that can do efficient scaling. This applies to input as well as output, in general running a camera capture, or a projector at a higher resolution than native does not do anything but use extra resources, and upscaling does not really help. Using GPU based scaling, such as in the mapper is a great way to change the size of an image.

                            Isadora is also natively resolution agnostic, as positions and sizes are percentage based changing resolution of cameras and video projectors (as long as the aspect ratio is the same) won't change your composition.

                            Definitely with USB cameras that stream the image with h264 upscaling or downscaling via the CPU on capture is an expensive process and also does not do anything for the image.

                            With cameras that are on auto settings like USB cameras low light will make the camera go to long exposure that can give extra latency.

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                            • RIL
                              RIL @Fred last edited by

                              Thank you @Fred for all the insights !

                              @fred said:

                              With cameras that are on auto settings like USB cameras low light will make the camera go to long exposure that can give extra latency.

                               This is what I think also happended to me because in my project there is so much dark during many times. But when the light conditions get better the latency continues, so had to stop the live capture and start it again. Thats the only solution I have found to restore it. Am I correct?

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                              • Fred
                                Fred @RIL last edited by

                                @ril if you were running the camera at 1920*1080 no. The lag in low light goes away as soon as there is light.

                                Logitech make a control app that lets you fix some of the camera settings manually that may work for you too.

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                                • RIL
                                  RIL @Fred last edited by

                                  @fred yes I would love that app !! Is it for Mac ? Find it on the web page?

                                  Thanks !!

                                  Best,

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                                  • Fred
                                    Fred @RIL last edited by

                                    @ril yes, the page for the camera on the Logitech site

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                                    • RIL
                                      RIL @Fred last edited by

                                      @fred     Looking in. to it... but cant find the one you talked about. https://www.logitech.com/en-us

                                      Thank you. Best,

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                                        Fred @RIL last edited by

                                        @ril https://download01.logi.com/we...

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                                          RIL @Fred last edited by

                                          @administrators fred Thank you !! already install and working. 

                                          again check that opening the safari I immediately get latency. But in reharsel situation with wifi off latency appeared. Then will be the low light condition what is bothering?

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