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    • DusX
      DusX Tech Staff last edited by

      At least its opened up unlike DXV. If it can be ported for windows support, I would get behind it. DXV already gives me photo jpg level playback + Alpha.
      Hap might be a longer term solution. Unless we start to see similar movement in quicktime development from Apple.

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      • mark
        mark last edited by

        Yes, this looks very interesting. I will examine this closely and consider the implications.
        Best Wishes,
        Mark

        Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
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        • Skulpture
          Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

          This does look interesting. Looking forward to hearing more about it.

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          • F
            fifou last edited by

            Interesting indeed. It would be great to implement this in Isadora...
            Soon there will be no more work left for the CPU !

            MacBookPro 15' 2012 - QuadCore i7 @ 2,66GHz - 16GB RAM - NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024Mo VRAM - 2 Internal SATA SSD Hard Drives - OSX10.13.6 - Isadora 3.0.7

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            • vanakaru
              vanakaru last edited by

              I did a quick test with 2 clips on 2 layers encoded to Hap and Hap alpha in VDMX and PhotoJPG and PNG(with alpha) in Modul8. Difference is 43%CPU (VDMX) versus 147%CPU(M8). Amazing!

              MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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              • Bill Cottman
                Bill Cottman last edited by

                just read Skulpture's link to Hap. ok. I'm interested too.

                http://www.BillCottman.com : Isadora3.0.8f09 with MBP OS X 10.11.6 in Minneapolis, MN

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                • Skulpture
                  Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                  A little bit more info here:

                  [http://createdigitalmotion.com/2013/02/hap-to-make-vjs-happy-codec-looks-better-plays-faster-on-gpu-free-mac/](http://createdigitalmotion.com/2013/02/hap-to-make-vjs-happy-codec-looks-better-plays-faster-on-gpu-free-mac/)

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                  • jhoepffner
                    jhoepffner last edited by

                    I just compared Hap versus ProResLT (1920x1080), same quality, same stream, same performance on Izzy.

                    I dont really see the advantage… It's so easy and fast to obtain ProRes with FCPX, I am not very interested by a supplementary compression.
                    Wait and see
                    Jacques

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                    • jhoepffner
                      jhoepffner last edited by

                      Hello,

                      I change my mind, the hap alpha for 3D incrust (from Cinema 4D) or blue screen composite is very good.
                      Jacques

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                      • vanakaru
                        vanakaru last edited by

                        @jhoepffner

                        it is GPU accelerated codec that works in accelerated mode in the specific app, that supports it. Same procedure as Resolume and DXV codec. However the implementation is open source so any app can be made to support the codec fully. 
                        You may want to try your clips in ProRes and Hap in latest VDMX. 
                        BTW VDMX will run on your mac the same as Isadora. You only can not save anything before you buy it.

                        MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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                        • mark
                          mark last edited by

                          Vanakaru  is right.... you need an app that can take advantage of the GPU feature before you'll see anything happen. But from my preliminary reading, it seems clear that I should make this happen in Isadora.

                          Best Wishes,
                          Mark

                          Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
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                          • Skulpture
                            Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                            From the VDMX Forums; 

                            "The file sizes for Hap movies are going to be a lot bigger than P-JPEG, the advantage is way lower CPU usage, if you've got a slow disk, it might not make sense to convert your movies right away.

                            Also note, if you've got movies that contain subtle gradients or fine details that need to be preserved, try using the "Hap Q" codec instead, the quality is a lot better in these situations!"

                            [http://vidvox.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7460](http://vidvox.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7460)

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                              PatrickPagano last edited by

                              this would be real nice. It's from the guy who co-wrote syphon with vade and they are both extremely talented coders

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                              • MatthewH
                                MatthewH Beta Tester last edited by

                                In Isadora I would guess that one would only really enjoy the benefits of HAP when working entirely with Core actors. Mark, is this correct?

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                                • mark
                                  mark last edited by

                                  For the moment that is true. But once I get the FreeFrameGL support out, then it will be more generally important.

                                  Best Wishes,
                                  Mark

                                  Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
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                                  • J
                                    joeladria last edited by

                                    This is terribly exciting! I've started playing around with VDMX lately, and this performance is simply breathtaking. 9 HD Videos full 1080p playing back at 30fps is something that only large scale media servers have dreamed of before.

                                    As Isadora is my tool of choice for theatre work, I look forward to seeing HAP in Isadora as well! Keep up the good work Mark!
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                                    • ursullivision
                                      ursullivision last edited by

                                      This sounds great.

                                      Isadora 3.2.6 / Macbookpro M3 / Mac OS 14.6.1 / 18 GB RAM / external SSD

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                                      • Armando
                                        Armando Beta Gold last edited by

                                        Yes indeed!

                                        Armando Menicacci
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                                        • vanakaru
                                          vanakaru last edited by

                                          BTW I have been experiencing some nasty artifacts in light areas when encoding contrast footage.

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                                          • DusX
                                            DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                                            Have you been using the higher quality codec or the standard hap?

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