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    Hap Codec Support?

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    • F
      fifou last edited by

      Interesting indeed. It would be great to implement this in Isadora...
      Soon there will be no more work left for the CPU !

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      • vanakaru
        vanakaru last edited by

        I did a quick test with 2 clips on 2 layers encoded to Hap and Hap alpha in VDMX and PhotoJPG and PNG(with alpha) in Modul8. Difference is 43%CPU (VDMX) versus 147%CPU(M8). Amazing!

        MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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        • Bill Cottman
          Bill Cottman last edited by

          just read Skulpture's link to Hap. ok. I'm interested too.

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          • Skulpture
            Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

            A little bit more info here:

            [http://createdigitalmotion.com/2013/02/hap-to-make-vjs-happy-codec-looks-better-plays-faster-on-gpu-free-mac/](http://createdigitalmotion.com/2013/02/hap-to-make-vjs-happy-codec-looks-better-plays-faster-on-gpu-free-mac/)

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            • jhoepffner
              jhoepffner last edited by

              I just compared Hap versus ProResLT (1920x1080), same quality, same stream, same performance on Izzy.

              I dont really see the advantage… It's so easy and fast to obtain ProRes with FCPX, I am not very interested by a supplementary compression.
              Wait and see
              Jacques

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              • jhoepffner
                jhoepffner last edited by

                Hello,

                I change my mind, the hap alpha for 3D incrust (from Cinema 4D) or blue screen composite is very good.
                Jacques

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                • vanakaru
                  vanakaru last edited by

                  @jhoepffner

                  it is GPU accelerated codec that works in accelerated mode in the specific app, that supports it. Same procedure as Resolume and DXV codec. However the implementation is open source so any app can be made to support the codec fully. 
                  You may want to try your clips in ProRes and Hap in latest VDMX. 
                  BTW VDMX will run on your mac the same as Isadora. You only can not save anything before you buy it.

                  MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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                  • mark
                    mark last edited by

                    Vanakaru  is right.... you need an app that can take advantage of the GPU feature before you'll see anything happen. But from my preliminary reading, it seems clear that I should make this happen in Isadora.

                    Best Wishes,
                    Mark

                    Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
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                    • Skulpture
                      Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                      From the VDMX Forums; 

                      "The file sizes for Hap movies are going to be a lot bigger than P-JPEG, the advantage is way lower CPU usage, if you've got a slow disk, it might not make sense to convert your movies right away.

                      Also note, if you've got movies that contain subtle gradients or fine details that need to be preserved, try using the "Hap Q" codec instead, the quality is a lot better in these situations!"

                      [http://vidvox.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7460](http://vidvox.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7460)

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                        PatrickPagano last edited by

                        this would be real nice. It's from the guy who co-wrote syphon with vade and they are both extremely talented coders

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                        • MatthewH
                          MatthewH Beta Tester last edited by

                          In Isadora I would guess that one would only really enjoy the benefits of HAP when working entirely with Core actors. Mark, is this correct?

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                          • mark
                            mark last edited by

                            For the moment that is true. But once I get the FreeFrameGL support out, then it will be more generally important.

                            Best Wishes,
                            Mark

                            Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                            Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                              joeladria last edited by

                              This is terribly exciting! I've started playing around with VDMX lately, and this performance is simply breathtaking. 9 HD Videos full 1080p playing back at 30fps is something that only large scale media servers have dreamed of before.

                              As Isadora is my tool of choice for theatre work, I look forward to seeing HAP in Isadora as well! Keep up the good work Mark!
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                              • ursullivision
                                ursullivision last edited by

                                This sounds great.

                                Isadora 3.2.6 / Macbookpro M3 / Mac OS 14.6.1 / 18 GB RAM / external SSD

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                                • Armando
                                  Armando Beta Gold last edited by

                                  Yes indeed!

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                                  • vanakaru
                                    vanakaru last edited by

                                    BTW I have been experiencing some nasty artifacts in light areas when encoding contrast footage.

                                    MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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                                    • DusX
                                      DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                                      Have you been using the higher quality codec or the standard hap?

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                                      • vanakaru
                                        vanakaru last edited by

                                        @DusX

                                        Actually both Hap and HapQ. I have footage of passing treetops and cloudy sky. Sky looks like full of bugs flying.

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                                        • DusX
                                          DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                                          I wish that the codec allowed the compression to be set.
                                          I did not like this about DXV either.

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