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    Unable to start Isadora with NON "Pete" Free Frame plug-ins

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    • mark
      mark last edited by

      Dear Pete,

      Contact me off list about this and send me one of the plugins that's causing the problem. I'll see what I can do.
      BTW, I'm quite sure the problem with the Edge Blend Calculator is not related.
      Best Wishes,
      Mark

      Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
      Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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      • CitizenJoe
        CitizenJoe last edited by

        Thank you, Mark!

        Hugh

        Hugh in Winnipeg - All test machines, Win10/11 Pro, 64 bit, OS SSD and separate data SSD.
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        • mark
          mark last edited by

          Dear Hugh,

          I ran the added the two plugins you sent me to the FreeFrame folder. Unfortunately (for you) they work fine. Isadora boots, and the plugins process video correctly. This was under Windows 7 64-bit (though of course Isadora runs in 32 bit mode.)
          Are you still running Windows XP?
          Best Wishes,
          Mark

          Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
          Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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          • CitizenJoe
            CitizenJoe last edited by

            Hi Mark,

            No, I'm on Win7, 64 bit.

            Are you running Izzy as an Administrator, or something? Or in an emulation mode?

            Cheers,

            Hugh

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            • CitizenJoe
              CitizenJoe last edited by

              I don't know if this helps, but I've got a new laptop recently, same OS, and the problem hasn't changed. It is present on both machines.

              Cheers,

              Hugh

              Hugh in Winnipeg - All test machines, Win10/11 Pro, 64 bit, OS SSD and separate data SSD.
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              • mark
                mark last edited by

                Dear Hugh,

                I am running Win 7, 64 bit as an administrator. I can't imagine that running as a non-administrator would cause a problem. But, when you run the Pete's Plugins installer, the permissions are going to be set correctly. I suppose it's possible if you just copied and pasted the plugin into the FreeFrame folder that the permissions could be fouled up.
                Maybe the permissions for the plugin make it unreadable by you. Can you check that? (Info here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727008.aspx)
                Another way to check: what happens if you right click the Isadora app and choose "Run as Administrator" -- does that change anything?
                Best Wishes,
                Mark

                Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                • CitizenJoe
                  CitizenJoe last edited by

                  Hi Mark,

                  I've tried your suggestions, including "run as admin", and setting all the permissions to full access and sharing both the FF folder and the individual files with all users.  It's still crashing on start up. I sent the crash reports when they appeared each time.

                  Cheers,

                  Hugh

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                  • DusX
                    DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                    I have had similar problems in the past although I don't remember the details.
                    If you want to send me the files I can try to replicate the issue on my Win 7 64bit machine.

                    Cheers
                    ryan at plastikwrap dot com

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                    • DusX
                      DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                      I have not problem loading them under the latest Isadora version.

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                      • CitizenJoe
                        CitizenJoe last edited by

                        Darn. Thanks for trying!  No luck at my end at all.  I've tried lots of different things, but Izzy still crashes when I start her up.

                        Clearly there has to be something different about my system, but I've tried it on 2 computers and it's the same problem.  I'm going to try it on a third now.

                        Cheers,

                        Hugh

                        Hugh in Winnipeg - All test machines, Win10/11 Pro, 64 bit, OS SSD and separate data SSD.
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                        • DusX
                          DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                          Did you try removing all freeframes, starting isadora.
                          Closing it.
                          adding just one of the 'other' freeframes (try each desperately) and starting Isadora?
                          I have freeframes that crash izzy, but they are freeframe source plugins. (example is fugscope)

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                          • mark
                            mark last edited by

                            Dear DusX,

                            I know that Hugh did that. The Pete's Plugins FreeFrame actors work fine, but as soon as he adds one of the others, it crashes.

                            Best,
                            M

                            Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                            Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                            • CitizenJoe
                              CitizenJoe last edited by

                              Indeed I have.  I also tried the third computer - same problem.

                              No idea what to try next.  Any thoughts?

                              Cheers,

                              Hugh

                              Hugh in Winnipeg - All test machines, Win10/11 Pro, 64 bit, OS SSD and separate data SSD.
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                              • P
                                PatrickPagano last edited by

                                i thought Freeframes did not work properly at all on 64 bit computers. They do not compile at all on ubuntu64 bit. just an idea

                                pp
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                                • CitizenJoe
                                  CitizenJoe last edited by

                                  Interesting thought...

                                  DusX tried Win7 64 and it worked for him. I know Mark is doing the same, although he's running it on a MAC, which could make a difference....

                                  Cheers,

                                  Hugh

                                  Hugh in Winnipeg - All test machines, Win10/11 Pro, 64 bit, OS SSD and separate data SSD.
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                                  • mark
                                    mark last edited by

                                    Regarding this comment

                                    "i thought Freeframes did not work properly at all on 64 bit computers."
                                    Isadora is a 32 bit app, as are the FreeFrame plugins that run under it's control. The run in 32 bit mode on 64 bit Windows.
                                    Best Wishes,
                                    Mark

                                    Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                                    Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                                    • DusX
                                      DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                                      I have put all my freeframe files into my director (I also have many),
                                      I can report that any freeframe source files (like fugscope) will crash Isadora on load.
                                      If I remove the source FF then Isadora loads and
                                      I receive reports of a number of them having ID conflicts.
                                      Once open my freeframes work, other than a few having bad video outputs (must be mixed in Isadora to show video) things are as expected.

                                      What exact version  are you running?. I have most installed on my machine, so I can test the version if not the latest release.

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                                      • DusX
                                        DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                                        Your freeframes are also working for me in f24 (previous test were latest release)

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                                        • CitizenJoe
                                          CitizenJoe last edited by

                                          Hi DusX,

                                          Thanks for your continued help!

                                          I haven't got f24 anymore so I'll have to download that and try it.

                                          I'm using 1.3.1 f03, but this has been going on for many versions before that! I'm guessing well before f24 (and on 3 or 4 different computers, too!).  Around September 2011, I believe.

                                          Cheers,

                                          Hugh

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                                          • CitizenJoe
                                            CitizenJoe last edited by

                                            Hmmm...

                                            I installed f24 on a non-production machine (but one that wouldn't run any non-Pete plugins) and Isadora will start and the 2 plugins that I've been using as an example both run and there's no crashing!  I haven't tried it on either of my production machines yet.

                                            @Mark - does this give you a hint?

                                            Cheers,

                                            Hugh

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