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    [SOLVED] Long usb cable latency

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    • RIL
      RIL last edited by Woland

      Hello everyone ! I have a 20mts (Nisuta) usb cable connected to a logitech c525 webcam. Although the cable in theory is amplified the latency is very important. Then I understand that some kind of external amp is necessary. What would that hardware be?
      Suggestions and experiences on this topic are appreciated. Thank you !!

      Best,

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      • Fred
        Fred @RIL last edited by

        @ril I use Geffen USB over cat 5 extenders for full speed USB extension. There are some cheaper options from hall research.

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        • RIL
          RIL @Fred last edited by

          @fred thank you !!

          Something strange I found maybe you can help... I notice that the latency is not always present ! Not regular...looking the trigger out of the Video In Watcher sometimes you can see 'the cross" tilting. Does it give you some idea ? Thank you very much.

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          • Fred
            Fred @RIL last edited by

            @ril does this change without the USB extender?

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            • RIL
              RIL @Fred last edited by

              @fred good question !!! Have to check but I'm would say yes... 

              So if yes is the answer what makes you think?

              (The cable is new by the way)

              Thanks !!

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              • Fred
                Fred @RIL last edited by

                @ril quite often you will notice more latency in changing light conditions. Give the camera something bright to film and check the latency.

                It could also be that the computer/USB bus is running out of resources.

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                • RIL
                  RIL @Fred last edited by RIL

                  @fred interesting the light situation..

                  About the usb bus...what do you exactly mean about resources? And how can be fixed?

                  Thanks

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                  • RIL
                    RIL @Fred last edited by

                    @fred I did a fast test...no latency in dark conditions. But then I went to this forum page went back to the patch and latency appears !! Has to quit and re open isadora. Then repeated the process with the web page and worked just fine... to much strange. Help  !!  jajaja 

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                    • Fred
                      Fred @RIL last edited by

                      @ril it could well be that your computer is running out of resources. Browsers can eat a large amount of memory, also. If not having other apps open stops the latency don't open other apps. Things like chrome and even word processors can use significant system resources.

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                      • barneybroomer
                        barneybroomer Beta Gold last edited by

                        What can be is interference with power lines, so on a desk perfectly fine, once in a theater running along other lines it can experience interference

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                        • RIL
                          RIL @barneybroomer last edited by

                          @barneybroomer thanks ! To many options jaja. What it seems to me is that the problem is not the usb extender. I checked again the lights conditions as @fred suggested also the browser and nothing happend.

                          Being plug to the power suppply on your desk may produce latency?

                          Best,

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                          • Fred
                            Fred @RIL last edited by

                            @ril how big is the latency?

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                              RIL @Fred last edited by RIL

                              @fred 3 or 4 seconds when it happens... 

                              Yesterday I tested during 1 hour with bad light conditions open and close broeser etc... and worked perfect. Very strange vehavior

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                              • barneybroomer
                                barneybroomer Beta Gold last edited by

                                Wow, 3 to 4 seconds is really long. Does it have this latency without USB extender as well?

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                                • RIL
                                  RIL @barneybroomer last edited by RIL

                                  @barneybroomer I believe it doesnt...what is very strange is this random behavior 

                                  Could it be some drivers situation? Thanks !

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                                  • Fred
                                    Fred @RIL last edited by

                                    @ril what is the model of webcam and what resolution are you running it a

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                                    • RIL
                                      RIL @Fred last edited by

                                      @fred Logitech C525.  1920x 1280

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                                      • Fred
                                        Fred @RIL last edited by

                                        @ril the camera has a native resolution of 1280 720, can you try run at that and see what results you get. The upscaling means decompressing the incoming h264 stream and then upscaling, not a trivial task. 

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                                          RIL @Fred last edited by

                                          @fred thats a very good idea !!! Thanks

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                                          • RIL
                                            RIL @Fred last edited by

                                            Dear @fred   

                                            apparently that was the problem. Also the video looks much more fluid now. Anyway I will leave it running for a long time to rule out any other problems. continued to be concerned with the issues of light and power cables.


                                            It would be interesting to refresh the whole community of the relationships that occur between the different video sources and their respective resolutions, and the best or most appropriate practices when combining video and live capture.

                                            Thank you very much !!

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