Guru Session #11: GLSL Shaders (Wed Apr 29th, 6pm CEST/5pm GMT/12pm EDT/9am PDT)

Astrid

Thnx again for this session!

Although I'm not a coder, I think I could follow most of what you demonstrated.

Sadly my custom parameters/inputs were not working in any of the shaders I tried them on (not sure if my screenshots are uploading..)

When typing the code, no compile errors, but also no changes to the actor after compile/ok.

When I copy pasted the text, from the chat:

uniform float dark_factor;
// ISADORA_FLOAT_PARAM(dark_factor, dkfa, 0.0, 1.0, 0.125, "This is the amount of darkness.");

I get messages like :

FRAG ERROR: 0:14: '<' : syntax error: syntax error<a href="/assets/uploads/files/1588182227804-screenshot-2020-04-29-at-19.16.00-resized.png"></a>

Juriaan

@Astrid

Could you share the GLSL code that you put inside your code window ? Upload it to Gist / Pastebin or use a Code block here on the forum. Then we can take a look with ya :)

Videosmith

Resolution problems with lo-res shaders / dither

Hi Mark - thankyou for the session. It's a complex area to get my head around but I grasped some of it - im sure the video will be rewatched!

If anyone can help me in my lo-res quest -

I am trying to find a dither shader and get it to work (I talked about this a year or so ago on the forum - but I'm still no wiser!) - it either looks too high res or completely anti aliased. I've tried changing resolution in video preferences / turning shader full frame anti aliasing off, and changing resolution in the shader.

Is there some hidden thing I need to switch? (@Maxime - you seemed to have more success with the Obra Dinn shader)

I've made a list below of examples I've used, and errors (for those that don't compile) - if anyone can get a nice crisp dither shader running in izzy please let me know - that would be awesome!

Examples that compile image is too high resolution / anti aliasing

1-Bit Waves - https://www.shadertoy.com/view/WtsXW2

Obra Dinn dither - https://www.shadertoy.com/view/4sySzw

Classic Mac floyd-steinberg-ish - https://www.shadertoy.com/view/4sjGRD

Examples that give errors and won't compile:

Dither Webcam - https://www.shadertoy.com/view/wsjSRd

Error:

FRAG ERROR: 0:20: Invalid call of undeclared identifier 'round'

Bayer maxtrix dithering explorer - https://www.shadertoy.com/view/WtjSzm

Error:

syntax error: Array size must appear after variable name

4x4 Bayer Dithering - https://www.shadertoy.com/view/WstXR8

Error:

FRAG ERROR: 0:29: '%' does not operate on 'int' and 'int'
FRAG ERROR: 0:29: '%' does not operate on 'int' and 'int'
FRAG ERROR: 0:37: Use of undeclared identifier 'bayerValue'
FRAG ERROR: 0:38: Use of undeclared identifier 'bayerValue'
FRAG ERROR: 0:39: Use of undeclared identifier 'bayerValue'

Juriaan

@Videosmith

Ditter webcam

https://gist.github.com/Juriaa...

Regarding your 4x4 Bayer Dithering, the code works fine as is. What operation system are you on / what version of Isadora ?

Videosmith

@juriaan hi - im working on Isadora version 3.0.7 , OS 10.13.6 Hi Sierra - MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Mid 2014 - 3 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Graphics Intel Iris 1536 MB )

thanks for the code - it compiles, but im still having the same issues regards resolution (see images) - what does it look like for you?

mark

@videosmith said:

thanks for the code - it compiles, but im still having the same issues regards resolution (see images) - what does it look like for you?

Maybe you need to connect both video inputs... did you do that?

Best Wishes,
Mark

Videosmith

@mark - thankyou - most of the other shaders didnt have a second input so I wasnt really focusing on that, but seems to be a clue to the puzzle. replacing that with the bayer tile from here https://www.shadertoy.com/view/WtsXW2 (channel 0 menu) seems to help? anyway, I'll keep experimenting - thanks again for the tips

mark

@videosmith

[NOTE: my reply is for Sam, but this info is useful for all! Please read. ;-) ]

OK, I think I've gotten some dithers worked out for you.

First, regarding the ShaderToy code for Dither Webcam:

Remember what I said in the tutorial regarding looking at the iChannel0, iChannel1, inputs, etc. Look at this part of the page:

The webcam is video input 1 (iChannel0) but it needs a texture for video input 2, as seen in the iChannel1 input. The problem with ShaderToy is that it is not very apparent which texture has been chosen because it's scaling and anti-aliasing it in the preview. :-(

In the end, I determined it was the texture called Bayer which is an 8x8 grid of greyscale values. (Bayer is a technique used for dithering, that was my clue.)

But then the question becomes, how do you get that texture? At the moment, the site ShaderToy Unofficial has a page that gives links to the textures under the section ShaderToy Media Files. Hopefully the image I've circled looks familiar from above:

So I clicked that and downloaded it. If you provide that as the second input, the dithering works.

I also worked around the error in the ShaderToy 4x4 Bayer Dithering shader. It needs to do an integer modulo operation (the '%' operator) which macOS doesn't want to do. But I created a function to peform the modulo called "modulo" which you'll see in the code.

In addition, I added a 'color amt' parameter to this shader to allow you to see the dithered color (the default for the ShaderToy) or a black and white version.

For both of these shaders, I made three scenes: one at the native resolution of the camera, one scaled to 640x360, and one scaled to 320x180. This will change the look of the final image, as smaller images may give you more of what you were hoping for.

I also made three versions of the bayer image png for the Dither Webcam patches. The 8x8 one I downloaded from ShaderToy Unofficial didn't look as good as a 96x96 pixel image I got from ShaderToy itself. The patches are set to use the 96x96 pixel version of the 8x8 matrix, but you can experiment with the 8x8 pixel, 96x96pixel, and 192x192pixel matrix images to see what you like best.

Let me know what you find and if this gives you what you were looking for.

glsl dithering.zip

Best WIshes,
Mark

Videosmith

@mark thankyou, this is great! - I'm definitely getting a better range of sizes by using the izzy scaler and the bayer tile.The lowest I can seem to keep it relatively crisp is about 160 x 90. (my need to get it lower is funnily enough to generate knitting patterns!)

mark

@Videosmith

Well, one of the problems is that Isadora is going to scale this image up to the stage size, and then it's going to get blurry because of the scaling.

If you need the image to stay really low res, set the stage size to something low in the Stage Setup editor, and then use the "Capture Stage to Picture" actor to grab a picture at that resolution.You can then scale it up in an image editing program. Here's a patch with the stage set to a custom size of 128x72 as shown below.

Here's an example snap of the stage using my webcam.

Same image scaled up in Photoshop using Nearest Neighbor resampling to preserve the hard edges:

And a black and white version...

Maybe that helps?

Here's the patch: glsl dithering small stage.izz

Best Wishes,
Mark

Videosmith

@mark cheers again for looking at this - it seems like a good work around at least for creating still images outseide of real-time. here is a 128 x 72 stage capture scaled up in photoshop x 300 % , and a 32 x 18 scaled up 1000%

avienne

Thanks for this session!
GLSL seems to be a great way to manipulate images and adding some customs tools in Isadora.
I've been playing a bit with some Shadertoy shaders, and I found this answer from @mark about multi-pass shaders on the forum very useful: https://community.troikatronix... That works well. Maybe those informations could be added to the GLSL Shader Actor Tutorial ?

I would add that sometimes, in a multi-pass shader, when a "channel" needs itself (by example if iChannel0 calls iChannel0), we can add an empty GLSL node to make a loop. Here is a little example based on this reaction-diffusion shader: https://www.shadertoy.com/view... Reaction-diffusion_002.izz (sorry I'm still on 2.6).

Otherwise, there are some amazing shaders that use cubemaps on Shadertoy. I know there is a lot of work in many areas on Isadora, and I don't know how much it's complicated to make it working, but it could be a very cool feature for a next release!
Or maybe someone knows a way to avoid cubemaps (I was wondering if it's possible to use 2d textures as a cubemap...) ?

Light FX UK

Hi Mark....fantastic resource the guru sessions....have watched all but one - you're a fantastic tutor :-) I'm having an issue with getting the isf shaders to batch convert using the windows bat file you included. I've included the command window response for your perusal. I'm pretty sure I have the files and the bat command in the same download file....but maybe its me.

Regards

Gavin

mark

@light-fx-uk said:

I've included the command window response for your perusal.

Where? I don' see it.

Best Wishes,
Mark

Light FX UK

@mark sorry its here.....ony recently entered the forums so finding my feet....

mark

@Light-FX-UK

Did you download the ISF files to your downloads folder?

1) Go to the ISF Files github
2) Click the "Clone or Download" button and choose "Download ZIP"
3) After the download completes, verify you now have a file called ISF-Files-master.zip in your download folders.
4) Right-click the .zip file and extract the contents of the .zip so that you see a folder called ISF-Files-master in your downloads folder. (Here are instructions on how to extract a zip file to a folder.)

The script if the ISF-Files-master folder is in your downloads folder.

Best Wishes,
Mark

Light FX UK

@mark Hi Mark, yes ISF-Files-master is in my downloads folder, I ran the script but unfortunately no success.....it's probably my fault but a bit stumped on this one. See further screen grab, following another test. I downloaded everything again just to make sure.......

mark

@Light-FX-UK

From what I see above, the path in your downloads folder is something like

C:\Users\YOUR_USER_FOLDER_NAME\Downloads\ISF-Files-Master (1)\ISF Files master

that won't work. (The underlined and bold part is wrong.) It must be exactly:

C:\Users\YOUR_USER_FOLDER_NAME\Downloads\ISF-Files-Master

Best Wishes,
Mark

Light FX UK

@mark thankyou will delete that folder and try again.....EDIT....it worked a dream.....massive thumbs up!

mark

@light-fx-uk said:

massive thumbs up!

Thank you for letting me know. I will make the instructions clearer.

Best Wishes,
Mark