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    The dreaded black flash between movies

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    • ursullivision
      ursullivision last edited by

      So, when I switch the videos in the movie player, I sometimes see the "stage" Actor input field flash from" n/a" to "1" and the label "stage" turns from grey to white for an instant.  At that moment I get the black "flash".

      Hmmmm.

      ur,ummmmm.............................eric

      Isadora 3.2.6 / Macbookpro M3 / Mac OS 14.6.1 / 18 GB RAM / external SSD

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      • vanakaru
        vanakaru last edited by

        Every time when I see PAL mentioned I feel that there is something not quit right with the movie codec. I would try ProRes422. I do not see any problems with the same old MBP even pulling movies from SSD connected to internal PATA bus.

        MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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        • Skulpture
          Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

          Have a read through this: 

          http://troikatronix.com/support/kb/optimizing-for-speed/

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          • ursullivision
            ursullivision last edited by

            @vanakaru, by PAL I mean 25 fps.  The codec is ProRes Proxy. 422 is slower on my machine.

            @Skulpture, thanks but I have read those guidelines many times.  I think I'm doing everything I can to optimize.

            Isadora 3.2.6 / Macbookpro M3 / Mac OS 14.6.1 / 18 GB RAM / external SSD

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            • Skulpture
              Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

              Ok - I thought you would have, I just always ask the obvious first, because; well you never know!

              Even us mods/beta testers have to check the knowledge base now and again. 

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              • ursullivision
                ursullivision last edited by

                @Skulpture.  Sorry, I didn't mean to be short.  This is a great resource!  BTW.  the optimize for speed post is out of date (it does not recommend H264 for encoding, but Isadora 2.0.5 seems to like H264 if one is using AV foundation for playback; I am not as I am still using OS 10.6.8).

                Isadora 3.2.6 / Macbookpro M3 / Mac OS 14.6.1 / 18 GB RAM / external SSD

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                • Skulpture
                  Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                  Hey @ursullivision  no, no it didn't read as being short. It's all cool.  

                  The only thing I can suggest is opening an ticket and getting the super clever dudes (DusX and Jamie) to check it out for you - maybe you can send them the movie and have a look into it for you.

                  Graham Thorne | www.grahamthorne.co.uk
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                  • Unfenswinger
                    Unfenswinger last edited by

                    I see you only have 2GB of RAM from your computer description in your Sig line.

                    After the OS loads and Izzy that doesn't leave much left so I wonder if these flashes are to do with memory starvation? Does the MacBook Pro have a discreet GPU if not it's using system memory and the cliches causes by a clash on the bus.
                    I'm just guessing as I haven't come across these flashes with Izzy. AV Foundation does give me juddery playback on my Mac Pro test machine so I tend to use QT playback. On my MBP that I use for development it doesn't matter what I use.

                    @unfenswinger
                    Gone all PC...

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                    • ursullivision
                      ursullivision last edited by

                      @Unfenswinger  Hmmm, My machine does have a discreet GPU.  it could be RAM.   But that wouldn't explain why it had the same problem on the MacMini (4 gigs ram).  Also, this short "activation" of stage 1 is weird.

                      @Skulpture.  I guess I'll try that.  Thanks.

                      Isadora 3.2.6 / Macbookpro M3 / Mac OS 14.6.1 / 18 GB RAM / external SSD

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                      • Unfenswinger
                        Unfenswinger last edited by

                        @ursullivision

                        From personal experience one izzy project would regularly crash my Mac Pro but is stable as anything on my new MBP. The crashes seemed to be due to the timing of scene changes so there may be some timing issue within the project causing the flash frames. Since I moved my license over to my MBP there were no crashes running the project at all so I never followed things up.

                        @unfenswinger
                        Gone all PC...

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                        • DusX
                          DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                          @ursullivision

                          Your observation about the stage settings changing momentarily in the actor, makes me think it might be due to a recently identified and fixed bug.
                          Unfortunately, we are still testing.. and its not ready for release. Of course I can't say for sure, so I can only suggest using a work around for now (use 2 players maybe?.. different layers? .... preload?)
                          I will say that the next release is worth the wait! Awesome new features!

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                          • ursullivision
                            ursullivision last edited by

                            @DusX, OK.  I guess this show will just have a few black flashes.  It's too close the performance date to fiddle too much.

                            Thanks for the info.

                            ur, ummmmm..........................eric

                            Isadora 3.2.6 / Macbookpro M3 / Mac OS 14.6.1 / 18 GB RAM / external SSD

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                            • DusX
                              DusX Tech Staff last edited by

                              Sorry, I could be of more help.

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                              • Skulpture
                                Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                                Could you maybe post one of the videos here for us to try? Even just a 10second loop?

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                                • ursullivision
                                  ursullivision last edited by

                                  @Skulpture, Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. Lotsa work. The show went well despite the "dropouts". How (where) can I upload the file for you?
                                  5d38d9-p1030901.jpg

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                                  • Skulpture
                                    Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                                    Do you have a dropbox or similar?

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                                    • ursullivision
                                      ursullivision last edited by

                                      Yes, I can upload to Dropbox.  I'll email you a link if that is ok.

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                                      • Skulpture
                                        Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                                        Sure. Let me know when its up.

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                                        • ursullivision
                                          ursullivision last edited by

                                          DB link sent to your email address at gmail.

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                                          • Skulpture
                                            Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                                            Got it. Will look into this today for you.

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