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    Isadora 3 - Status Report from Mark

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    • D1gits
      D1gits Beta Tester last edited by

      @mark, Im super exited to hear all the new tools getting ready to hit the community! Thanks for all the effort and time you have put in to Isadora!


      All the best from Stockholm/Sweden

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        pbj last edited by

        Thank-you for this post and all of your work. I am looking forward to Isadora 3. 

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        • mookai1973
          mookai1973 Beta Silver last edited by

          Dear Isadora Team,

          Thank you for hard work with v.3 awesome features

          Computer and OS
          -MBP 15 2018 i7 2.6Ghz 16Gb DDR4 -----macOS 10.15.7
          -Huawei Notebook i7, 16Gb Ram -----Win10 x64 LTSC 1809
          -2 x Isadora 3.1.1 USB dongle

          Accessories
          -Orbbec Astra
          -Realsense D435
          -Leap Motion

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          • Bill Cottman
            Bill Cottman last edited by

            Thank you. 🏋🏾‍♂️

            http://www.BillCottman.com : Isadora3.0.8f09 with MBP OS X 10.11.6 in Minneapolis, MN

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            • Clement
              Clement last edited by

              Hi everyone,


              The new features sound good !

              Will V3 be compatible with versions of Mac OS X older than Mojave ?

              We can see on the table screenshot that tests were made on Mac OS 10.11, did you test 10.9 as well ? Do you recommand to leave this OS and which one is better according to you (for a MacBook Pro Late 2013) ?

              Thanks, all the best.

              Clement

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              MBP retina late 2013 l 2,3GHz Core i7 l 16GB Ram l 2GB VRAM l OSX 10.12.6 l Latest Isadora version

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              • Woland
                Woland Tech Staff @Clement last edited by

                @clement

                Upon release, Isadora 3 or later will be required for Isadora users working on MacOSX10.14.x (Mojave), but Isadora 3 will also function on MacOSX 10.12.x (Sierra) and MacOSX 10.13.x (High Sierra).

                Please see this thread, which is primarily about Isadora 2 not being compatible with Mojave, but also contains the information I stated above.

                Isadora 3 is not being tested on and is not designed for MacOSX 10.9.x,  nor is MacOSX 10.9.x officially supported for Isadora 2.

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                • M
                  mrtz last edited by

                  Dear Mark,

                  Some days later: thanks for your helping words after the show! I am now back in Berlin and did some comparison with activity monitor. The four Full HD 1920x1080 ProRes 422LT movies are using much much more CPU power (like 120% vs 50% CPU processing percentage) than HAP, HAP Q and even 264 encoded movies. There is a process called ”VTDecoderXPC Service” that takes a lot of CPU processing percentage, that is not shown at all when using HAP or 264. So for now I think I will use HAP Q and HAP.

                  With regards to the $1500 PC you mentioned ”that leaves Apple in the dust”:  Can you please tell us which brand and model it is? If it is a Mini PC, is there one capable of 4 full hd outputs for projectors and a 5th one for a controlling screen?

                  And one final question: I used a Radeon Vega 56 in a Sonnet 650 eGPU for the show, the four outputs worked but I had the impression that the card was not faster than my internal Macbook Pros Radeon 560X at all, maybe even a bit slower.

                  However, I remember you said that Isadora cannot use the eGPUs additional power at the moment. But then I thought: it is not that the eGPU did not work at all, as the four outputs worked, it´s more that it just was not as fast as I had expected. Will Isadora 3 be able to take more advantage of an eGPU?

                  Thanks,

                  Moritz

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                  • bonemap
                    bonemap Izzy Guru @mrtz last edited by

                    Hi 

                    I too am going to ask if we can get some indication of what pc model and configuration is being eluded to?

                    Best Wishes 

                    Bonemap 

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                      davidcoll last edited by

                      Super exciting! If I could just draw your attention to another possible product that could be good to support among Kinect, Orbbec, and realsense eventually: https://lightform.com/how-it-w...

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                      • bonemap
                        bonemap Izzy Guru @davidcoll last edited by

                        @davidcoll

                        Isadora May be able to do this out-of-the box IF we get a point cloud mesh integration along with the new depth sensor implementation. It would certainly be a game changer for Isadora users interested in this kind of work.

                        Best Wishes 

                        Bonemap 

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                        • DusX
                          DusX Tech Staff @davidcoll last edited by

                          @davidcoll said:

                          another possible product

                           The lightform camera is a independent computer, with supporting software for setup/configuration. It does not work in the same manner as these other cameras. It is unknown at this time if Isadora would be able to receive the depth image from these self contained systems.

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                            NickBottom last edited by

                            This is fantastic news. All great new features.

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                            • Edalia
                              Edalia last edited by

                              This all sounds fantastic! Keep up the good work and I look forward to playing around with it all when it's done.

                              www.edaliaday.co.uk
                              Spoken word artist, Theatre maker & animator, based in Norwich, UK

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                              • Unfenswinger
                                Unfenswinger @mrtz last edited by

                                @mrtz said:

                                Dear Mark,


                                With regards to the $1500 PC you mentioned ”that leaves Apple in the dust”:  Can you please tell us which brand and model it is? If it is a Mini PC, is there one capable of 4 full hd outputs for projectors and a 5th one for a controlling screen?
                                And one final question: I used a Radeon Vega 56 in a Sonnet 650 eGPU for the show, the four outputs worked but I had the impression that the card was not faster than my internal Macbook Pros Radeon 560X at all, maybe even a bit slower.
                                However, I remember you said that Isadora cannot use the eGPUs additional power at the moment. But then I thought: it is not that the eGPU did not work at all, as the four outputs worked, it´s more that it just was not as fast as I had expected. Will Isadora 3 be able to take more advantage of an eGPU?
                                Thanks,
                                Moritz

                                 You have a GPU you know does 4 outputs and to get your 4+1 make sure the CPU you buy has an integrated GPU as you could then get your +1 output from the motherboard video output. The other option is to run 2x GPUs the second could be a really inexpensive one solely for the control screen.

                                eGPUs are a bit of a waste of time as the TB3 bus speed is the limiting factor compared to a GPU attached to an internal 16x PCIe bus obviously if you are driving 4 screens at a decent frame rate that's a fair amount of bandwidth required plus overhead. You have to be careful too as these eGPU TB3 ports share the same PCIe bus, e.g. the new Mac mini has 4x TB3 ports but I'm told they all share the same 4x PCIe bus which makes a mockery of actually having 4 ports.

                                @unfenswinger
                                Gone all PC...

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                                • Armando
                                  Armando Beta Gold last edited by

                                  Massive work mark. I Can't wait to test it with my massive new config. I9 pc with Blackmagic Decklin 4k extreme 12g!!

                                  Armando Menicacci
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                                  MacBook Pro 16-inch, 2021 Apple M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 4TB SSD, Mac OS Sonoma 14.4.1 (23E224)

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                                  • Shigezo
                                    Shigezo last edited by

                                    These all new features are my dream!

                                    I can see a lot of possibilities now, good job team!

                                    Mac Pro, 3.5 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon E5, OS 10.13.6
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                                    • DBO
                                      DBO @mark last edited by

                                      @mark

                                      It' look grate. I'm impatient to try. 

                                      Whishing you good job to achiueve this release.

                                      Best rgard 

                                      Oliver

                                      DBO Olivier Irthum Videolighting artist

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                                      • timeg
                                        timeg last edited by

                                        Thanks Mark. This is so exciting. there are features here we briefly talked about years ago now coming to fruition. I'm already planning my own projects but am also going to set up an immersion/interactivity research lab here in Shanghai based around this. The new pricing structure should also help broaden this into a full blown course. BRAVO!!

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                                        • K
                                          kurt last edited by

                                          reading depth map images from Kinect 1, Kinect 2, Orbbec Astra, and Intel Realsense cameras which can be paired with the new NiTE Body Tracking actor

                                          Exciting.  @Mark, how did you get around NiTE's licensing restrictions, which prohibit using it with non-Primesense devices and prohibit redistributing it?

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                                          • mark
                                            mark @kurt last edited by

                                            @kurt said:

                                            Exciting.  @Mark, how did you get around NiTE's licensing restrictions, which prohibit using it with non-Primesense devices and prohibit redistributing it?

                                            Uh, well, I guess I wasn't aware of that particular restriction. From that license agreement:

                                            You shall not (and shall not permit third parties to): (a) integrate the NITE with any products other than the Authorized Hardware; (b) distribute the NITE in any manner; (c) use or make available the NITE pursuant to an open source license; (d) modify the NITE;

                                            There are other drivers out there (libfreenect2) that allow you to use NITE with Kinect 2, which is not a Prime Sense device, which is in violation of clause (a).

                                            Obviously Processing, NI Mate and others are distributing the library, which is in direct violation of the clause (b)

                                            I would guess that this github is in violation of clause (d) because it includes NITE.

                                            In other words, there Prime Sense (which was bought up by Apple) don't seem to be enforcing this or going after people. They don't even have a website anymore (the URL www.openni.org reroutes to Apple.) But, now that I'm aware of this, we may simply have to ask people to install NITE themselves if they wish to use that part of the system.

                                            We will investigate further.

                                            Best Wishes,
                                            Mark

                                            Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                                            Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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