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    Isadora Native v002 Rutt-Etra Effect

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    • Skulpture
      Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

      Should work on both as far as I am aware. Are you ruining version 1?

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      • crystalhorizon
        crystalhorizon Beta Platinum last edited by

        @neoesum click on the little arrow up on the first post of this thread 

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          vjw @Skulpture last edited by

          @Skulpture

          Am running Izz version 2.5.2 on a Win8 computer, but haven't bought the upgrade.  The test file doesn't run the plugin, nor allow me to replace the actors that the message says won't work and need to replace.  Attaching a screenshot, but it doesn't show the red won't work symbol.

          Thanks

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            vjw @Skulpture last edited by

            @Skulpture Version 1 of the Rutt-Etra?  Yes; I've not seen another version for Windows.

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            • DusX
              DusX Tech Staff @vjw last edited by

              @vjw
              Did you download the plugin from the link listed by Mark above, and install it to 

              • C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\TroikaTronix\Isadora Plugins\

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                vjw @DusX last edited by

                @DusXYes, I did.  Just checked again and it is there.

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                • Videosmith
                  Videosmith @mark last edited by

                  @mark just donated. really lovely to read about his work.

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                  • timeg
                    timeg last edited by

                    Thought I had signed up when mark first posted this. no matter just donated $15 and ready to play!!!!!

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                      gogoj last edited by

                      Hello, I had download v002 Rutt-Etra plugins and drop it in to /Library/Application Support/TroikaTronix/Isadora Plugins/, but i can't find it out in isadora 2.5.2. can you tell me how to use it ? thanks a lot !

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                      • Michel
                        Michel Izzy Guru @gogoj last edited by

                        @gogoj

                        Did you only put the Macintosh file into place or the "v002 Rutt Etra for Isadora v1.0" folder? It has to be only the plugin itself.

                        Best Michel

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                        • eight
                          eight @mark last edited by eight

                          @mark I understand the 3 requires 64 bit architecture, while the plugin linked above in this thread is 32 bit. I have downloaded the source code for the plugin from github, in order to try to compile its 64 bit version, but the repo is missing some dependencies, like IsadoraLib.a.

                          Is there any info on this plugin vis-a-vis Isadora 3? 

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                            Woland Tech Staff @eight last edited by

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                              vjw @Woland last edited by

                              @wolandYay!  I miss it.

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                                Demetri79 last edited by

                                RE- RUTT for isador 3.. its missing the smooth paramater like the old version had.. which was essential to me.. it smooths off the sharp edges of the z extrude.. is it possible to put that back in.. or maybe add another actor after the output if not?

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                                • mark
                                  mark @Demetri79 last edited by

                                  @demetri79 said:

                                  its missing the smooth paramater like the old version had

                                  Well, unfortunately, I did not write this code, Vade did. He was kind enough to let us port it if we asked for a donation to Bill Etra's partner, since Bill had passed away and she was on fixed income. Bottom line: I'm not sure how to change this plugin to give you what you want.

                                  But exactly what parameter are you talking about? Here's a side-by-side of the old QC plugin and Isadora's version

                                  Isadora has 'antialiasing' which is the same as 'Element Antialiasing'. Isadora has 'normal smooth' which is enabled if 'calc normals' is on; this is the same as 'Vertex Smoothing' in the QC plugin. So when it comes to things that are missing, as far as I know, we're not missing anything.

                                  Maybe you can help me by being more specific?

                                  Best Wishes,
                                  Mark

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                                    Demetri79 last edited by Demetri79

                                    @mark yes the Vertex smoothing is the parameter from the old version I am referencing.

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                                      Demetri79 last edited by Demetri79

                                      @mark 

                                      Does the normal smooth reshape the spikes from z extrude for you like the v2 did? its not working for me at all and wondering if that is a bug or what is going on. this is the most important effect i use for every project i do and really need this working. It drastically (and beautifully) reshapes the sharp points that extrude from the z dimension.. so that you can have a more bubbly look rather than spiky look.  I tried every permutation of changing all the other parameters on or off and then adjusted the normal smooth and got no visual results at all?  that parameter just doesn't work on my end:(

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                                      • mark
                                        mark last edited by mark

                                        @demetri79 said:

                                        Does the normal smooth reshape the spikes from z extrude for you like the v2 did? its not working for me at all and wondering if that is a bug or what is going on. this is the most important effect i use for every project i do and really need this working.

                                        As far as I know, the native plugin never supported this feature -- only the Quartz composer versions did what you are asking. I just went and checked the v2 version of the Isadora native Rutt Etra plugin. The normal smoothng has no effect, just as it is in the v3 plugin.

                                        So, I'm really sorry, but let me repeat what I said above: it's not my code and I don't know how to fix it. Vade graciously offered to let make a native plugin using his source code with the agreement we'd seek donations for the late Bill Etra's partner who is on fixed income. (TroikaTronix made a generous donation of its own at the start.)

                                        I'll try to write Vade to see if he's willing to help, but I can't make any promises. I am simply using the code he gave me, and in that code, this feature is not implemented. It he's not willing to offer his time then I'm afraid there is nothing I can really do except to have you use the Quartz Composer plugin, which I guess supports this feature.

                                        Best Wishes,
                                        Mark

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                                        • mark
                                          mark last edited by

                                          @demetri79 said:

                                          Does the normal smooth reshape the spikes from z extrude for you like the v2 did? its not working for me at all and wondering if that is a bug or what is going on. this is the most important effect i use for every project i do and really need this working. 

                                          OK. I can't help myself. I'm looking into it.

                                          Best Wishes, Mark

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                                          • mark
                                            mark @Demetri79 last edited by mark

                                            @demetri79 said:

                                            its not working for me at all and wondering if that is a bug or what is going on. this is the most important effect i use for every project i do and really need this working.

                                            Well, after pulling my hair out for six hours comparing the original code from Vade and the current code of the native Rutt Etra, trying a bunch of stuff to get it to behave the same as the QC plugn, it turned out to be something stupidly simple. I put the soution in a separate post so that other users will hopefully see it.

                                            Best Wishes,
                                            Mark

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