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    • particlep
      particlep last edited by

      @lazandre you're welcome. i figured by sharing we could collectively learn more.

      well done for keeping version 0.6.9 working.
      right now i have no answers for you. sorry that sucks i know, however my approach has always been i don;t know how emotion is meant to work so i'll find out what i can do with it.
      i have always suspected that there are parts of emotion that are not fully implemented in the publicly released versions but still appear within it.  i can share with you that many times i've shut emotion down and walked way from it because it just wasn't being very useful.  
      sometime later i see something that answers the problem i had when i walked away ,,, and i go back and try again.
      i'm not sure what else i can add right now. sorry.

      isadora v3.0.7
      mbp 2.6ghz i7
      mac osx 10.12.6
      dyslexic.

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      • Bill Cottman
        Bill Cottman last edited by

        Very interesting comments here. I've been aware of eMotion for months but could not get a reliable download link. Yesterday it downloaded completely but I have not opened it yet. All these comments are giving me the correct frame of mind I need to approach eMotion. Thanks.

        http://www.BillCottman.com : Isadora3.0.8f09 with MBP OS X 10.11.6 in Minneapolis, MN

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        • L
          lazandre last edited by

          thanks particlep and vanderzee. particlep, your tutorials are really a great starting point for me to understand emotion. i was at a lost till i saw the tutorials.

          i'd also like to share some of my observations:

          1. Activate and deactivate "Map Wacom to current layer” item if you are not using wacom.  (At first anything I draw with pen or particle tool do not show up in the render window or the drawings are pulled by gravity on the left border of the render window. But when I deactivated the Map Wacom to current layer item, everything went well.

          2. Particles have a limit. You can only draw up to 99,999 particles. Inspector menu displays no. of pixels/objects of the current layer.

          3. Syphon can be activated by clicking “use FBO”. But for version 0.7.1, you’ll get a quad display.
          You can drag png, jpeg, movie files into the layers thru the “Scene” items in “Tools” to have a textured or movie background.  You can then scale, move, rotate the background in the Layer Geometry in Scene Options or click on the scene and use your trackpad. Scaling the picture/movie background will give you an option to alter the collisions, either with the scene or with the layer you just altered. (Because syphon is not functioning properly, the image or movie in the layer is also in a quad format.)

          4.  The text tool does not work in 0.7.1.  I notice that in any layer i create using the Text tool it has an underlying black mask background that is similar to the quad display i mentioned in my previous comment.

          Will post some more since there's a limit in the number of characters i can type in this comment window.

          Still hoping someone can figure out how to make the syphon work properly in 0.7.1 :)

          lazandre cawagas

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          • smartalec
            smartalec last edited by

            Thanks so much particlep and lazandre!

            I've got newest build of eMotion up and running with TUIOpad thanks to your help and tutorials. 
            I am going to be composing music and producing a show for our local professional ballet company next year and hoping to integrate eMotion, motion capture, Isadora and Ableton Live.
            I've got some fun investigation and experimentation ahead of me! 

            www.smartalecproductions.com | MBP, i7, 16GB, NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB

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            • smartalec
              smartalec last edited by

              Hmmmm.

              My eMotion 0.7.1 suddenly throws a 'this version out of date' at startup and shuts down. Is this happening to anybody else?
              I got excited for a second thinking maybe there was an update but I am not seeing one anywhere.

              www.smartalecproductions.com | MBP, i7, 16GB, NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB

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              • particlep
                particlep last edited by

                i too have the date thing.  i've seen this before.  i tried downloading again and got the same out of date thing.

                [smartalec](/troikatronixforum/profile/7415/smartalec)  i've emailed the contact address re the out of date thing and put a link to this thread and the tutorial playlist i made last year and requested any information.
                i think in the short term we simply have to wait and see what they come back with or keep an eye on the website http://www.am-cb.net/emotion
                for any updates.
                sorry i can't offer any more at this time.

                isadora v3.0.7
                mbp 2.6ghz i7
                mac osx 10.12.6
                dyslexic.

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                • vanakaru
                  vanakaru last edited by

                  Set you computer clock back to 2014 and it should work.

                  MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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                  • Skulpture
                    Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                    I've changed the title of this thread ever so slightly to reflect the general topic of e-motion. :)

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                    • smartalec
                      smartalec last edited by

                      Thanks all. @vanakaru setting the clock back worked.

                      www.smartalecproductions.com | MBP, i7, 16GB, NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB

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                      • Marci
                        Marci last edited by

                        Heh - just came across same problem on every system I work on. Panicked tilI came here! /me wanders off to set clock back

                        rMBP 11,3 (mOS 10.13) / rMBP 11,4 (mOS 10.14) / 3x Kinect + Leap / TH2Go
                        Warning: autistic - may come across rather blunt and lacking in humour!

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                        • Marci
                          Marci last edited by

                          Just got a reply back from Adrien M....

                          "Thanks for your message,
                          A new release is available, you can download it there : [am-cb.net/doc/eMotion.zip](http://am-cb.net/doc/eMotion.zip) 
                          It will work until 2015/06/01, then you’ll need to download a new version.
                          Please notice that eMotion is an experimental project and is provided as it is, for non-commercial use only.
                          best,
                          Adrien"

                          rMBP 11,3 (mOS 10.13) / rMBP 11,4 (mOS 10.14) / 3x Kinect + Leap / TH2Go
                          Warning: autistic - may come across rather blunt and lacking in humour!

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                          • vanakaru
                            vanakaru last edited by

                            @Marci

                            The new one does not open on OS X 10.6.8.

                            MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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                            • Unfenswinger
                              Unfenswinger last edited by

                              Please notice that eMotion is an experimental project and is provided as it is, for non-commercial use only.

                              What a shame, that's killed my interest and presumably is a fly in the ointment for a lot of users here. Maybe they'd be up for a paid version or a donation for commercial use.

                              @unfenswinger
                              Gone all PC...

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                              • crystalhorizon
                                crystalhorizon Beta Platinum last edited by

                                I would pay for a commercial version

                                Alexander Nantschev | http://www.crystalhorizon.at | located in Vienna Austria

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                                • smartalec
                                  smartalec last edited by

                                  New version worked fine for me on OS X 10.10.1

                                  I guess by fine I mean it opened and I did not get the error message. It is still quite buggy and crashes often so not really an option for dependable live performance.
                                  I am not complaining as it is offered as a free download. I would say that a further developed version would certainly seem to fill a niche for interactive projections and I would buy it.
                                  Anybody know of any other options similar to eMotion? Can we do that type of interaction in Izzy?
                                  Suppose I may have to go back to cobbling together Processing code if not...

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                                  • particlep
                                    particlep last edited by

                                    the adrien m and claire b company have grown considerably. looking at their website they now have a  team in place and lots of shows this year.

                                    i've downloaded version 0.7.6 and found an issue with the render window.
                                    have emailed for help.

                                    isadora v3.0.7
                                    mbp 2.6ghz i7
                                    mac osx 10.12.6
                                    dyslexic.

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                                    • crystalhorizon
                                      crystalhorizon Beta Platinum last edited by

                                      On their website is written 0.7.1 as latest download. Also my About is greyed out, so I am not sure what version is now on my system. After I made the upgrade, I cant make a grid anymore as I could before. 355259-screenshot-2015-01-19-13.44.23.png 02f71a-screenshot-2015-01-19-13.45.09.png

                                      Alexander Nantschev | http://www.crystalhorizon.at | located in Vienna Austria

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                                      • particlep
                                        particlep last edited by

                                        i'm also seeing a shift on the am-cb website.  there is a programme of performances http://www.am-cb.net/agenda/calendrier/ and members of a team now.  i wonder if we might have to wait a while for a stable version of emotion to be available.

                                        i have to admit to thinking that if they aren't ready for emotion to be played with by other interested parties that possibly the programme should't be available to  play with ... just a thought ...

                                        isadora v3.0.7
                                        mbp 2.6ghz i7
                                        mac osx 10.12.6
                                        dyslexic.

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                                        • PaulAckerman
                                          PaulAckerman last edited by

                                          eMotion is not stable unfortunately. They seem to be happy only using it for themselves so no one else can duplicate the results. I came across Z-Vector recently which looks great. Created by the NI-Mate group with Syphon compatibility. Free trial version for Mac / Windows.

                                          http://z-vector.com/

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                                          • Marci
                                            Marci last edited by

                                            Be careful with Delicode at the moment. Updates aren't forthcoming. I have multiple issues with Z-Vector running on an AMD based Macbook Pro - it simply won't work, and their support simply reply with "we don't support Yosemite at this time". NI-Mate has issues controlling a generation of Kinects because Delicode haven't updated their code in eons, despite their docs saying that this specific version is the best one to use. In all, a few hundred pounds dropped on software that simply doesn't function anymore depending on the age of your hardware and the version of OS you're running, which has caused me to have to rewrite several entire shows that previously depended on their software to interface with multiple Kinect cameras.

                                            eMotion isn't licensed for any commercial use, hence you won't see a great deal of progress or support on it either sadly.

                                            rMBP 11,3 (mOS 10.13) / rMBP 11,4 (mOS 10.14) / 3x Kinect + Leap / TH2Go
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