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    MIDI Show Control - What Do You Use?

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    • mark
      mark last edited by

      Hello Everybody,

      So, there seems to be a recurring request for MIDI show control. It's a complex spec, but some of the items on the list would be easy enough to implement. Of the possible MSC commands, which ones are people actually using? (See list of all commands below.)
      I ask because maybe it's enough to implement a watcher for Go, Stop, Resume, and perhaps Timed Go. That wouldn't be too hard to do.
      And the idea here is not that it would correctly control Isadora, but that you would simply get a trigger when you received the command. Is that what people are looking for?
      Best Wishes,
      Mark
      01 GO
      02 STOP
      03 RESUME 04 TIMED_GO
      05 LOAD
      06 SET
      07 FIRE 08 ALL_OFF
      09 RESTORE
      0A RESET
      0B GO_OFF
      10 GO/JAM_CLOCK
      11 STANDBY_+
      12 STANDBY_- 
      13 SEQUENCE_+
      14 SEQUENCE_-
      15 START_CLOCK
      16 STOP_CLOCK
      17 ZERO_CLOCK
      18 SET_CLOCK
      19 MTC_CHASE_ON
      1A MTC_CHASE_OFF
      1B OPEN_CUE_LIST
      1C CLOSE_CUE_LIST
      1D OPEN_CUE_PATH

      Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
      Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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      • mark
        mark last edited by

        OK... so just to test the waters, I created a very basic MSC Watcher actor. Please drop this plugin

        /Library/Application Support/TroikaTronix/Isadora Plugins
        to try it out. It should receive the Go/Stop/Resume commands. It will _not_ work with TIMED_GO yet. (Dont' send that message... it might crash.)
        Does it work?
        Would this handle the bulk of the situations you need to cover?
        Best Wishes,
        Mark
        P.S. Sorry Windows users... Mac only for the moment... will compile the Windows version once I get a bit of feedback.

        33c8ff-msc-watcher.izzyplug.zip

        Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
        Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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        • MatthewH
          MatthewH Beta Tester last edited by

          Thanks for working on this, Mark. I typically have MSC Go commands include a cue number so, if possible, it would be great if the watcher could output both the trigger and whatever number is being sent to it. That's really all the functionality I would need in terms of recieving MSC in Izzy.

          Matthew Haber :: matthewhaber.com :: besidedigital.com :: Download my actors: http://www.matthewhaber.com/isadora-actors

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          • MatthewH
            MatthewH Beta Tester last edited by

            Never mind. I just actually looked at the plugin and it turns out that you were way ahead of me. This looks like it would cover all of my needs.

            Matthew Haber :: matthewhaber.com :: besidedigital.com :: Download my actors: http://www.matthewhaber.com/isadora-actors

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              RoccoD last edited by

              Hey Mark.  I'm only on windows so I can't take a look at it.  All the things you mentioned plus the cue number is all I would need.  Really just the go and stop plus cue number is all I would want.  Maybe a back would be good too.   My work around that I'm using now is a real hassle and takes forever to setup.  Thanks in advance for making this.  I look forward to the windows version.

              [Edit](http://troikatronix.com/troikatronixforum/vanilla/post/editcomment/2100)
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              • mark
                mark last edited by

                Dear RoccoD,

                OK -- I'll get this compiled for Windows sometime later today and post it.
                Best Wishes,
                Mark

                Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                  RoccoD last edited by

                  Great.  If I have time I'll put it in my new show and let you know how it works.

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                  • mark
                    mark last edited by

                    Hi Again,

                    OK -- first, Mac people, if you installed the MSC Watcher, please delete it before continuing.
                    Below you will find slightly revised versions -- for Mac and now PC as well.
                    PC people need to put this plugin .dll and the accompanying .qtr file at c:\program files (x86)\isadora\isadora plugins
                    Mac people follow the previous instructions to install.
                    Let me know what you find out.
                    Best Wishes,
                    Mark

                    84ac87-msc-watcher-mac.zip 83423b-msc-watcher-win.zip

                    Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                    Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                      RoccoD last edited by

                      Hey Mark,

                      I just gave the PC version a try, but it doesn't seem to be working.  Light cues from an ETC Ion are not causing it to trigger.  Also, it would be great if it was more like the other midi watchers in that there are inputs to decide what signal would cause it to trigger.  For example, I would want it to only trigger when it receives a certain cue number.  That way I'm only receiving triggers for the light cues I want.  In the control watcher I can set which controller and value would cause it to trigger or if left alone it would tell me what the midi control I received.  It would be great if the msc watcher did the same thing.  
                      Thanks for spending time on this.
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                      • MatthewH
                        MatthewH Beta Tester last edited by

                        In the meantime, a comparator and gate would do what you want Rocco

                        Matthew Haber :: matthewhaber.com :: besidedigital.com :: Download my actors: http://www.matthewhaber.com/isadora-actors

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                        • R
                          RoccoD last edited by

                          Thanks Matthew.  That would work, but I'm not getting anything with it yet.  It isn't reading the MSC at all.  I know my midi works since I'm using a midi translator program to make the show work.  Also, the output is in string.  Is that what it is supposed to do?

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                          • mark
                            mark last edited by

                            Yes, the output is supposed to be a string. That's because cue numbers can take the form "12.34.56.78" -- there's no limitation on how many "dots" there are. You can't represent this with a number. As Matthew indicates, you can easily use the Text Comparator to do the comparison, and then put the whole thing inside a nice little User Actor that will do the job for you.

                            But regarding it not working... I'll simply have to give it a test on Windows. I compiled the version I gave you, but didn't have time to test it properly. I'll try to give that a go as soon as I am able.
                            Best Wishes,
                            Mark

                            Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                            Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                            • fubbi
                              fubbi last edited by

                              My dream is coming true...

                              Mac M2 Ultra, 64gb — Berlin

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                              • mark
                                mark last edited by

                                Dear RoccoD,

                                Well, I found out that in the PC version of Isadora I had never properly implemented SysEx input! I was shocked to realize it, but I guess since there was no actor to receive it, I never noticed nor did anyone else. I've got the code working now... but it will be a few days before I can get a version to you. Sorry for the inconvenience.
                                Best Wishes,
                                Mark

                                Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                                Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                                  stewives last edited by

                                  Using this plugin I can't figure out a way to only have it fire on a specific cue number.

                                  Has anyone else found a way to do this?
                                  Please Help me!
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                                  • mark
                                    mark last edited by

                                    You just need to use the Text Comparator to compare the cue number to the desired cue number. See the picture for an example.

                                    Best Wishes,
                                    Mark

                                    861489-msc-compare.png

                                    Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                                    Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                                      PatrickPagano last edited by

                                      is there a windows version for this? We would be very interested here at digital worlds for this to be working on several upcoming events.

                                      thanks
                                      Patrick
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                                      • fubbi
                                        fubbi last edited by

                                        So what about generating mtc? Thats what I need the most. Fubbi

                                        Mac M2 Ultra, 64gb — Berlin

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                                        • mark
                                          mark last edited by

                                          Fubbi: just keep bugging me. I'm back in Berlin starting Feb 18th, and will be focusing completely on Izzy. Let's talk then.

                                          Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
                                          Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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                                          • PacoTheCharm
                                            PacoTheCharm last edited by

                                            I'm trying the actor now, sending signal from qlab - I am not understanding what we are supposed to set up in the fields to get a trigger signal. We have a firewire 410 with midi into a roland midi receiver UM-1 - we tried it with the midi on watcher, it works fine. We can't get the MSC watcher to react though.

                                            Set, Lighting, Projection Designer
                                            http://www.wawr.ca

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