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    Epoccam Feature Requests for Kinoni?

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    • Kinoni
      Kinoni last edited by

      @feinsinn
      Good to hear it works, whenever releasing new software there is always a chance it doesn't work.

      @Aolis

      Thanks for sharing your experiences. There are no logos since it is paid application, we only put the watermark to free version :-) HD video takes quite a bit bandwidth, currently configured to two megabits per second. Changing bitrate could be easily controlled by OSC in the future version.
      Logic between video in windows is that big window is always camera 1 in Syphon and smaller "picture in picture" windows are from left to right camera 2, camera 3 and camera 4\. So if you click rightmost small window (camera 4) then camera 1 and camera 4 outputs are switched.
      Currently application saves video resolution for each device (based on their IP address). So each time you reconnect for example certain iPhone 4, it will be configured to use the video size you set earlier. As you said camera assignment order is not saved, if you want them to be in certain order you can either open iOS apps one by one in order (device you want to be camera 1 first, then device for camera 2 etc) or change the camera assignment by clicking the "picture in picture" cameras.
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      • CitizenJoe
        CitizenJoe last edited by

        Sounds exciting!
        I tried it, hoping that it would fix my "grey screen problems", but then realized that it is MAC only.
        Any chance of a Windows version?

        Cheers,
        Hugh

        Hugh in Winnipeg - All test machines, Win10/11 Pro, 64 bit, OS SSD and separate data SSD.
        Dell 7560, i9 11950H, 64 gigs, NVIDIA RTX A4000 w/8 GB GDDR6

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        • Kinoni
          Kinoni last edited by

          @CitizenJoe

          Multicamera for Windows is certainly doable. I wonder how does Isadora video input work on Windows as there is no Syphon framework available. Adding Syphon was very simple, multicam on Windows could be a lot of work. If we implement that or not depends on how popular Mac-version will be.
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          • mark
            mark last edited by

            Dear Kinomi,

            Isadora for Windows uses standard DirectShow drivers for Video Input. There isn't Syphon for Windows (well, there's "Wyphon" but it only works on some cards... it's not a universal solution.) In any case, there's a Windows app that makes the video coming from a Kinect camera appear to be a webcam. It works really well.
            The source code is available, so maybe that's a place to start investigating. It's called "OpenNI 2 Virtual Webcam." The page for the app is here: http://falahati.net/my-projects/95-openni-2-virtual-webcam-v0-9-directshow-filter-for-openni#.UqR7Pyi9djE
            Best Wishes,
            Mark

            Media Artist & Creator of Isadora
            Macintosh SE-30, 32 Mb RAM, MacOS 7.6, Dual Floppy Drives

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            • vanakaru
              vanakaru last edited by

              Kinoni

              Thank you for the code. I am pretty excited with the app. However I was able to test it with one iPod 4gen only. My other ones are used somewhere else.

              MBP 4.1 & MBP (Retina, Mid 2012) MBP Retina 2017

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              • jhoepffner
                jhoepffner last edited by

                Hello,

                I just tried with 2 cams (iPhone4 + iPod5) and it work perfectly with 640x480def.
                Just be careful to check Settings->Privacy->Microphone that EpocCam Multicam is allowed to use microphone (that was the Kinoni help).
                If not the app crashes on start.

                Jacques Hoepffner http://hoepffner.info
                GigaByte 550b / Ryzen 7 3800X / Ram 64 Go / RTX 3090 24 Go / SSD 2 To / raid0 32 To
                MBP 13' i5 2.6 Ghz 16 Go / Intel Iris / macOs 10.11.6 / izzy 2.6.1 + 3.0.3b2
                MBP 15' i7 2.6 Ghz 16 Go / GTX 650M 1Go/ MacOs10.13.3 / Izzy 2.6.1
                MSI GS65 i7 3.6 Ghz 32 Go / GTX 1070 8 Go / Windows 10 / Izzy 3.0.3b2

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                • rainbow
                  rainbow last edited by

                  @Kinoni tested the new MultiCam, download instal start EpocCamViewerPro,  iPhone4 and iPadMini, two cams work great, 

                  thanks

                  best rainbow

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                  • Skulpture
                    Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                    I was talking to @feinsinn on Skype and we had a question... for everyone really not just @Kinoni
                    On a mac (and presumably on Windows) you can create a network, also known as an adhoc network. This is what I have been doing to test this amazing app. I am not sure what the limitation speed is for the mac I use.

                    All I know is that my mac has a "AirPort Extreme, 802.11g"

                    So my question;
                    If I wanted to use multiple devices using this amazing app and multiple syphon outputs - could I buy a better and stronger external WIIF hub, plug that in via LAN and then create a WIFI network? Basically NOT use my macs physical antena and use a better one?
                    I ask because there is potentially a lot of data going through the air... and presumably a faster wifi router is better?

                    Graham Thorne | www.grahamthorne.co.uk
                    RIG 1: Custom-built PC: Windows 11. Ryzen 7 7700X, RTX3080, 32G DDR5 RAM. 2 x m.2.
                    RIG 2: Laptop Dell G15: Windows 11, Intel i9 12th Gen. RTX3070ti, 16G RAM (DDR5), 2 x NVME M.2 SSD.
                    RIG 3: Apple Laptop: rMBP i7, 8gig RAM 256 SSD, HD, OS X 10.12.12

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                    • Kinoni
                      Kinoni last edited by

                      All, when connecting multiple devices do you see high CPU loads? If yes, is it an issue? My guess is that we could cut video processing CPU usage by 50% but that requires lots of work. So if it is not an issue right now, we'll do it later.

                      @Skulpture

                      Some thoughts on WiFi performance. Updating to latest Apple Airport Extreme WiFi base station will immediately boost network speed. Definitely it is better to connect Mac to router via cable to reduce network load. Also make sure router uses less crowded 5 GHz band.
                      Would USB-connection help here? Or are iOS devices physically far away from Mac?
                      @mark
                      Cool, we already have DirectShow-plugin for Windows. Multicamera still would need some work. Can you share any statistics what percentage of Isadora users are running Windows and Mac?
                      @jhoepffner
                      Thanks for posting the workaround, we will fix the bug for next release.
                      @rainbow
                      Thanks for feedback.
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                      • R
                        Rick last edited by

                        @Skulpture & @Kinoni - I'm going to be doing some testing on an existing project with 2 cams today and will report back, but I'm already using a wifi router. My cam distances require it, and I'm sure for speeds it's better. So the Izzy mac is hard wired to the fastest router I could get, with a fixed IP, and the only things on the network are the two cams. I'm connecting one only a couple of meters away, but the other one is 20 meters away and through walls.

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                        • CitizenJoe
                          CitizenJoe last edited by

                          Hey, WINDOWS users: anyone else getting a grey screen (similar to the attached picture) as the complete signal from the iPhone, or is it just me? This is EpocCam HD on Windows 7 Pro, using the latest Windows drivers (v2.8.1).

                          I'm actually curious about the MAC-Windows split, too!

                          Thanks,
                          Hugh
                          09a689-epoccamgreyscreen.png

                          Hugh in Winnipeg - All test machines, Win10/11 Pro, 64 bit, OS SSD and separate data SSD.
                          Dell 7560, i9 11950H, 64 gigs, NVIDIA RTX A4000 w/8 GB GDDR6

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                          • Michel
                            Michel Izzy Guru last edited by

                            @Kinoni

                            Tested the multicam and everything seams to work as it should. One thing I would like to see is that the computer can be wired or wifi (same network). This would save bandwidth do you think thats possible? For example TouchOSC doesn't care if wired or wifi or iTeleport.

                            Best
                            Michel

                            Michel Weber | www.filmprojekt.ch | rMBP (2019) i9, 16gig, AMD 5500M 8 GB, OS X 10.15 | located in Winterthur Switzerland.

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                            • Kinoni
                              Kinoni last edited by

                              @Michel

                              Not sure if I understood what you mean but you should be already able to connect Mac to router wirelessly (wifi) or via network cable (wired). Are you saying cable-connection does not work if you disable wifi from your Mac?
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                              • S
                                stj last edited by

                                @ Kinoni

                                I have just tested EpoCam HD in rehearsals and performances on an ad-hoc network. Works well. However, on an iphone (any smartphone?) you need to take out the SIM card, otherwise EpoCam looses the network connection when you receive a phone call.

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                                • Michel
                                  Michel Izzy Guru last edited by

                                  @Kinoni

                                  You are right, the last time I checked it (quite a while ago) it did not work. And the message "disconnected from wireless network" maked me think it is still the same. But it does work.

                                  Best
                                  Michel

                                  Michel Weber | www.filmprojekt.ch | rMBP (2019) i9, 16gig, AMD 5500M 8 GB, OS X 10.15 | located in Winterthur Switzerland.

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                                  • Kinoni
                                    Kinoni last edited by

                                    @stj

                                    This is a known limitation on iOS, apps cannot access camera while on background. I guess it is the same with Android. A workaround for removing SIM card could be to first turn on airplane mode and then turn on WiFi.
                                    @Michel
                                    You are right, the text is misleading. Good that wired connection works now, I cannot even test it myself with MacBook Air :-)
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                                    • Aolis
                                      Aolis last edited by

                                      Thank you for the feedback on how the wireless logic works! On my phone I've been able to simply put it in airplane mode and then turn the Wi-Fi back on and am no longer interrupted by calls. No need to remove the Sim card. I haven't noticed the access CPU load is being a problem but if I started using this in more complicated projects that would definitely be something that would getting my way. Again thank you so much for this amazing app!!!

                                      Media Artist & Teacher
                                      MacBook Pro, Apple M3 Max, 128 GB
                                      Sonoma 14.3.1

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                                      • crystalhorizon
                                        crystalhorizon Beta Platinum last edited by

                                        @kinoni had a rehearsal yesterday with 2 iphones, worked really well. so for a performance I´m thinking to get a wifi router to have a safer signal. Is there one you can recommend?

                                        The flightmode trick works also, thanx!

                                        Alexander Nantschev | http://www.crystalhorizon.at | located in Vienna Austria

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                                        • Kinoni
                                          Kinoni last edited by

                                          @feinsinn I am no network expert but here are some tips. As mentioned above you should use less crowded 5 GHz frequency band, so if you are buying a router check that it supports separate 5 GHz network. I guess in rehearsal there are not so many wireless devices interfering as during a performance with audience, so connection quality is likely to get worse. Using lower resolutions will help here as they use less bandwidth.

                                          Good luck with the performance, I'm feeling some pressure here if the app crashes in the middle :-)
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                                          • Skulpture
                                            Skulpture Izzy Guru last edited by

                                            I think @feinsinn will be the first user to use the app is a true performance setting. Will be interesting to see how it goes :)

                                            Graham Thorne | www.grahamthorne.co.uk
                                            RIG 1: Custom-built PC: Windows 11. Ryzen 7 7700X, RTX3080, 32G DDR5 RAM. 2 x m.2.
                                            RIG 2: Laptop Dell G15: Windows 11, Intel i9 12th Gen. RTX3070ti, 16G RAM (DDR5), 2 x NVME M.2 SSD.
                                            RIG 3: Apple Laptop: rMBP i7, 8gig RAM 256 SSD, HD, OS X 10.12.12

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