@liminal_andy

thank you. I cannot try it out directly right now, because the PC is stationed in an isntallation space. Just to understand you right, VB is acutally something like "soundflower" on Mac? So I route all outgoing sound of isadora to that, and use it as input in Zoom? That way I wouldn't be able to hear the sound myself on my speakers, right?

@liminal_andy Thanks a lot !

Best,

Maxi

@woland Super useful, thanks so much

You may also want to find a monospace font to use, this way you can calculate the space required for the word, since each letter will take up equal space. That should allow for a grid like layout to become possible. Rotation will be another monster.

@woland

ah, ok. a cousin with the same name..:-)

thanks

@liminal_andy

If you're comfortable sharing this, it'd be great to have a version of this on the TroikaTronix Add-Ons page (link in my signature) if it's not there already :)

Best wishes,

Woland

@peuclid

<3 ;-)

While we love Zoom for all of the many settings it exposes to help us tailor our events, broadcasts, and live performances, it can be a bit overwhelming at times. In response, Jeff Widgren, the founder of Stream Sharks, has for the past several months been running an online Zoom support group called the Zoom Test Kitchen.

ZTK meets for several hours on Zoom twice a week, Tuesdays and Fridays, and is a space for Zoom users of any experience level or background to share questions, test their systems, and learn from experts about making the most of Zoom. It is, in my view, an essential resource for those looking to produce high quality work on Zoom. It's also a learning lab where I can test my apps, show files, and workflows in a helpful and friendly environment.

Zoom Test Kitchen can be found on facebook at www.facebook.com/zoomtestkitchen. See you there!

@liminal_andy said:

will bump to Group HD 720p for the duration of the call, even if the device leaves the call! 

 😄 That's a fun hack, thank you for sharing your knowledge here again!

We'd love it if you could put this workaround on the TroikaTronix Add-Ons page (link in my signature) :)

Best wishes,

Woland

@liminal_andy said:

 clever, I wonder if there is a simple way for me to re-use the JS code that culls the dynamic list to act upon a copy database, simultaneously pruning it so the list and the database remain in sync.

There is. You just need to store the index of the items with the lines in JS, do the filtering, and then split the outputs to give a list of the indexes and a list of the text. You can then use the list of indexes to look up the item in the original list.

Sending the test file that includes this functionality to you now.

function main()
{
    var outStringIndexes = "";
    var outStringLines = "";
    var inputLines = arguments[0].match(/[^\r\n]+/g);
    var i;
    var indexedLines = [ ];
    for (i=0; i<inputLines.length; i++) {
        var rec = [ i+1, inputLines[i] ];
        // print(rec[0] + " " + rec[1] + "\n");
        indexedLines.push(rec);
    }
    for (i=0; i<inputLines.length; i++) {
        var needle = arguments[1].toLowerCase();
        var haystack = indexedLines[i][1].toLowerCase();
        if (haystack.includes(needle)) {
            outStringIndexes += indexedLines[i][0] + "\n";
            outStringLines += indexedLines[i][1] + "\n";
        }
    }
    return [outStringIndexes, outStringLines];
}

Best Wishes,
Mark

As a Dance tech guy I am amazed by what you have achieved Andy. Thanks !

@woland Thanks Woland. Very good to know. I am doing also some more user actors for lower thirds and other zoom ISO commands. I'll put all of them in the add-ons page now that Ryan has solved my login issues. Excitying times for Isadora users ahead !!!

Great work with ZoomOSC Andy! With the capabilities of Isadora and the Window into zoom through ZoomOSC we have been able to do some wonderful virtual theatrical happenings! I hope the Office Hours Group plays with isadora more. They will love it.

Tláloc López-Watermann 

@liminal_andy Sweet! I think this actor may be the shortcut. thanks so much!

https://howlround.com/reverse-...

"Reverse-Engineering Zoom with Isadora

Site-Specific Performance for the Internet

04 January 2021

Jared Mezzocchi has been systematically exploring what Zoom and the editing program Isadora can offer theatre practitioners during the pandemic. He has been working in the field for over a decade and has explored it from multiple points of view—designer, director, playwright, artistic director. As a theatre educator, he launched an MFA program at University of Maryland in projection design, and he recently designed and co-directed Russian Troll Farm, the highly acclaimed Zoom theatre production. We Zoomed in November to talk about the production, how to reverse-engineer Zoom, Isadora as the way forward, and more."

Hi all, thanks for the advice. I'm helping out a friend with this one and just realized my mistake - it's out of range so it defaults to the max value. The  Gets are going into routers so the value is capped at the number of outputs. He didn't put calculators in to subtract the base value to get within range. Not sure why it didn't work in my patch earlier, but probably user error too. Thank you all for taking the time to help! This is what happens when you are under the gun and it's late at night...

@paulpsound When you say you 'share' the mac do you mean that you're using the screen share function in Zoom or are you 'Spotlighting' the participant with the Virtual Webcam as their camera? If you're using the screen share function then I'm not sure what the virtual webcam is being used for. If you're spotlighting a virtual webcam then I'd suggest having a background permanently running on a lower layer that is always there and bring your slides in on top so there is always a something being sent to the virtual webcam, you could do this in QLab.

I had a quick go at trying to re-create the problem and I could regularly make it happen when switching between my real webcam and the virtual webcam in zoom using the 'select a camera' option. Is this what you're doing in the show?

Often I would get a flash of the OBS background before QLab's slide loaded, but there is other unwanted behaviour as well following this pattern:

> Select camera in zoom

> Play slide in QLab - displays correctly on the VWC monitor window

> Select VWC in zoom = flash of OBS background followed by the slide

> Select camera in zoom

> Wait a few seconds

> Select next slide in Qlab - displays correctly on the VWC monitor

> Select VWC in zoom = flash of previous slide followed by new slide (sometimes with a bonus OBS background flash as well)

Basically, I was often getting a 'flash' of the previous frame that zoom brought in, wether that was a slide or the OBS background.

I got exactly the same results using Isadora so I suspect that the problem is with Zoom as you suggest. The Syphon Virtual Webcam monitor shows the stage/surface correctly as does Syphon Simple Client app. I don't know if zoom somehow caches the previous frames and displays those while it's sorting itself out when you change inputs?

Wherever the problem the is, the obvious work-around seems to be - don't change between camera and VWC in Zoom. Why not set your camera up as 'Camera' cue in Qlab that is routed to the same surface as your slides, all you would then need to do is run through your Cue stack with slides and cameras popping up as needed, you wouldn't need to change anything in Zoom and the 'surface' being sent via syphon would be consistent. Or, even better, do the same thing in Isadora ;-)

(as a slight aside, I love QLab, it's a great tool for certain things, simple and effective. It's been the go-to thing for sound for years and I like how it's simple enough for a church hall, powerful enough for the west end. However, I also think that it is terrible at handling video and I avoid using it for video whenever possible. Even the most simple playback can be stuttery or with frames being dropped, and anything more complex is a real strain. QLab remains an important part of the workflow in the majority of shows I work on, but I run the video in Isadora and communicate via OSC as needed).

@witmac Yep this is all good. Eventually, we could work around the remote controlled DMX dynamic lighting issue hurting the key parameters with global values or broadcasters/listeners that could talk to the utility scene from any other scene. I tend to build landing points on a per-scene basis to adjust my keys by building a set of user actors for keying. I also bolt on a midi controller so I can adjust key params on the fly with "analog" input. 

@dusxI I have actually done just that now. I did test sending directly from my system over a hardline into a capture card for the streaming server. I then tested setting my stage output to spout and using Spout to NDI to send the feed via network to the same streaming server. The Spout to NDI handled things the best just slightly. Which I found surprising.