@dbini said:

Unless someone has a better idea for a camera to use on stage. ???

 I am getting excited by these Makis by Bird Dog. They're more expensive than a webcam.... but

https://birddog.tv/makilive-ov...

Not tried one yet, but going to fundraise for a set of 3.
Don't know what they're like in low light.

With their POE adapter and a POE switch you can power them remotely... all day long. (Or plug in power to their USB port and use the Wifi connection)

You can control them remotely using an app.

But the best thing is they send NDI, which gets you around Isadora's 4 Live Camera input limit. 

And Bird Dog's documentation and support is great.

@woland
Thanks L, I might get another Brio500 then.

Unless someone has a better idea for a camera to use on stage. ???

Minimum 90degrees FOV is essential. USB or HDMI connection to Isadora (I have a couple of HDMI capture cards) and able to run off plug-in power all day. And around 100€-150€ would be ideal. I was thinking of an action camera, but it looks like they tend to run only off battery. I've been using a DSLR with Canon EOS Webcam Utility, but its not so stable with my newer laptop, and I tried a Sony Camcorder, but that was getting grumpy about using mains power whilst outputting the live view over HDMI. I have a USB industrial camera but it think the resolution might be too low compared with the Brio. I don't really want to use a phone over the stage, would prefer cable connection - rather than wifi, for obvious reasons.

@dbini said:

ill my Mac label them differently so Isadora doesn't get confused? I have plenty of USB ports available, so can connect each one via a different USB hub into different ports.

 Yes, you'll be fine as long as you use different ports/different hubs.

Hello everyone! What's the current score with using more than one webcam as Video sources in Isadora? I've got a Logitech Brio 500 plugged into my Intel MacBook (using a USBC-USBA adapter and a USBA extender into a USBC hub) and it works great. I tried adding a C920 on another channel and it was struggling to handle the movement on stage. I guess it's just too old to compare it to the new generation of camera tech.
So I would like to use another Brio 500 for the other angle needed, (90 degree view, clear picture, can use LogiTune software to set everything to manual) - can Isadora see both of them? will my Mac label them differently so Isadora doesn't get confused? I have plenty of USB ports available, so can connect each one via a different USB hub into different ports.

@zimt said:

isadora 4.0.9 (rosetta):

 I haven't tried this on Mac in Rosetta mode to be honest. Its possible that Python is looking at the system architecture during the install of the python modules, and they are ARM specific. Rosetta may introduce a mis-match.

Have you opened a support ticket? If you do, I'll go through it with you to figure out what's going on.

@zimt said:

do you have an idea what's wrong?

1. Have you tried this not in Rosetta?
2. The lines in the error in the second screenshot that says "but is incompatible architecture (have 'arm64', need 'x86_64')" makes me think that perhaps some of the modules used in those tutorials are Windows-only. 

@raq 

These files/tutorials may help:

My Personal Files (should be a quick and dirty way to get started)

1. Scaling Isadora Example File: automatic-scaling-explained-2023-07-19-3.2.6.izz
2. Color Tracking Isadora Example Files: color-tracking-and-chroma-key.zip
3. Live Drawing Isadora Example File: https://troikatronix.com/add-ons/live-drawing-example

TroikaTronix Materials (more in-depth information)

1. Basic Motion Tracking Isadora Tutorial File: https://troikatronix.com/add-ons/tutorial-basic-motion-tracking/
2. Alpha Mask Isadora Tutorial File: https://troikatronix.com/add-ons/tutorial-alpha-mask/
3. Value Scaling Isadora 101 Introduction Video: https://youtu.be/MG3pbjPHOGc?si=EAw29nukhJaoc59H
4. 1 Hour Isadora Live Drawing Livestream Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHn5g6hlHNU
5. 1.5 Hour Isadora Guru Session on Motion Tracking with the Eyes++ Actor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKSwV4vjq7o&t=5s

Just wanted to share with everybody what we ended using for our latest A/V show (2x MBP Silicon, one running Ableton Live, one running Isadora) to trigger scenes and events from Ableton into Isadora. This solution revealed to be reliable, and never failed us. We brought it on tour, and it worked 100% from the moment we would plug it in. This interface has USB-C so no need for adapters. 

mioXC - USB-C 1x1 MIDI interface from iConnectivity. https://www.iconnectivity.com/... 

We had tried many other solutions (Ableton Link, Network (wired, wireless), and while some worked most of the time, they randomly failed, which didn't make for a reliable enough solution. MIDI often got saturated when using network. And the specific scenario (short Soundcheck times, our gear staying on tables backstage between soundcheck and changeover without continuous power, having to reconnect in the dark...) was already stressy enough for all the things that could go wrong...

I received MIDIs in Isadora from Ableton Live on a specific/separated channel to trigger scenes. Other inputs were used to trigger transitions/events. Also, some MIDI notes triggered lighting cues directly in Lightkey on the same laptop as Isadora, which allowed for more complex lighting looks (especially when using moving heads, that was gold!).

That´s all! hope it helps!

Re: [Connecting eyes++ to Live drawing](/topic/9033/connecting-eyes-to-live-drawing)
I'm having an issue getting eyes++ and chroma tracking to work with live drawing. I am new to Isadora and only know the basics. If anyone had a quick tutorial/run through I'd very much appreciate it.

Thanks

dear troikatronix,

thanks for your youtube tutorials! 

i encountered a problem on osx sequoia 15.2 / mbp 2021 M1 Pro (arm) / isadora 4.0.9 (rosetta):

i followed both pythoner tutorials Getting Started with pythoner and Beginner’s Guide to MediaPipe Tracking in Isadora

the installation and activation of the virtual environments with the apple-scripts worked fine (numpy/pillow/mediapipe "...install OK"). 

"Get a list of IMAGE URLS via webscraping" in the examplefile works. 

BUT the interpreter shows a red (!!)-sign whenever numpy or pillow is involved. when i click on [OK] the interpreter in the example-files (eg. pythoner_examples_v0.4.izz / "Load an Image from the WEB and output to Isadora") says:

ImportError: Error importing numpy: you should not try to import numpy from
        its source directory; please exit the numpy source tree, and relaunch
        your python interpreter from there. (Module_A0LRGrXqdi.py, line 1)

pillow also produces a strange error. i did not set any arm64 or x86_64 variables. shouldn't isadora automatically chose x86_64 running in rosetta or maybe the "installer script" with pip recognized the M1 chip and installed the arm versions which do not work because i'm in rosetta? (see screenshots).

do you have an idea what's wrong?

thanks